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[-] Rob200@lemmy.autism.place 163 points 1 month ago

How can we go back? We're already on the way back. It's called the Fediverse.

[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 50 points 1 month ago

I help pay for my instance to operate, and it's a cost I'm happy to help shoulder.

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 16 points 1 month ago

Us instance admins appreciate it I promise

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[-] Banichan@dormi.zone 27 points 1 month ago

Ehhhh, the OG internet connected better because all nodes were well connected. The Fediverse is a series of single servers that can't even sync all data across themselves. It's cute, but it's post-it notes on strings atm

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[-] michael@lemmy.chrisco.me 19 points 1 month ago

Yep we have different lemmy/mastodon/etc.... instances talking with one another. Anyone can set up something like activityhub. Its a fun place in my opinion!

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[-] yes_this_time@lemmy.world 77 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Libraries should evolve to play a larger role in the internet, theyve been trying to reinvent themselves and i think this best aligns with their spiritual purpose. Some ideas:

Caretakers of digital archives.

Caretakers of relevant open source projects.

Could I get a free domain with my library card?

Could I get free api access to mapping or other localized data?

Should libraries host local fediverse instances for civic users? (think police, firefighter alert, other community related feeds)

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[-] barsquid@lemmy.world 72 points 1 month ago

How did we get here? Adtech, tracking, monetization.

Can we go back? By removing the ubiquitous affiliate marketing financial incentives, so no.

[-] sverit@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 month ago

Yeah man. Last time YouTube was good was when people were making videos just for fun, not for clout.

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[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 13 points 1 month ago

Don't be silly, the proletariat just needs to unite, seize the nuclear stockpiles of at least two nations capable of destroying all life on earth in defense of the oligarchy's hoards, and then decentralize ownership of the global communication infrastructure.

Easy.

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[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 65 points 1 month ago

Go back to site directories.

Curate your news feed.

Stop using a single corporate search engine.

Participate in online social communities, not in social media.

[-] deczzz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 month ago

Love that last line. Will remember.

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[-] yegambit@lemmy.world 48 points 1 month ago
[-] bruhduh@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

Yes, selfhost most essential services like mail, messengers, web search, piped frontend, vpn, and other things like gitea/forgejo and jellyfin, web 3.0 will be federated network

[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 31 points 1 month ago

Isn't web 3.0 the whole crypto ntf bullshit. Maybe we skip that one and go straight to 4.0

[-] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 month ago

I think in general it's supposed to be about decentralisation, but god knows scammers will hop straight onto anything with "point-oh" in the name

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[-] Squizzy@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Some websites dont allow selfhosted mails, they want one of the big names.

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[-] fin@sh.itjust.works 47 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Creating a closed network on the Internet where any commercialization and domination are prohibited might help?

Something like Tor/freenet/I2P, but less shady (I know it’s not meant to be like this), open and accessible to anyone.

Edit: I remembered about gemini protocol, where you get

lightweight online space where documents are just documents, in the interests of every reader's privacy, attention and bandwidth

Perfect for the new better internet, huh?

For Android/iOS users, there’s a client called Lagrange on F-droid and Testflight

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[-] Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 42 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Back in the days of the wild frontier things were chaotic, anarchic, violent, and unconstrained.

Then came the churches, then came the schools
Then came the lawyers, then came the rules
Then came the trains and the trucks with their loads
And the dirty old track was the Telegraph Road

And now we're all fenced in, regulated, allowed to wander only in approved lanes... oh, wait, sorry, we're talking about the internet, not real life!

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[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 41 points 1 month ago

When you remove the barriers to entry, the average quality users decreases, leading to an increase of corporate interest in an attempt to market to them all. These corporations do not care about the environment, and they run what the masses haven't yet trashed in order to commodify it for maximum profit.

First the planet, then the Internet, next who knows? Maybe the entire human genome. Soon everyone will have to pay to remove dream ads and there will be a paywall inhibiting serotonin production without a subscription.

[-] namingthingsiseasy@programming.dev 30 points 1 month ago

Indeed, Reddit was a great example of this. All of the stupid things they tried to pull off in the past few years (selling user data, turning off the API, insulting their users, VPN blocking, to name a few) would have not worked when they were a growing website. Now that they have so many low quality users, they can do that successfully because they know that said users are too dumb to realize how they're being abused. Even larger websites like Twitter and Facebook operate this way.

The takeaway here is: don't focus on having many users, focus on having good users. All relationships are a two-way street, and if you're on the side of the street with too many people, you don't have any personal leverage on your own. It's in your best interests to get out of that relationship.

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[-] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 38 points 1 month ago

Not sure this has been said yet, but Neocities is a pretty great throwback to GeoCities and the early 2000's web.

All a bunch of small, handcrafted websites and personal blogs by individuals and small groups.

Exploring feels like I remember back in the early 2000's as a teen. Crazy and weird sites, hidden links and easter eggs, ARGs, random annon comments you can post to a wall, .gifs all over, pixel art, hacker manifestos, links to other similar sites, etc.

The Fediverse is pretty great too.

I wish there were more site directories curated by communities, that would reduce my reliance on search engines for sure. RSS is great, I've been using that to help build my personal content feed.

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[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 37 points 1 month ago

The Fediverse is as close as I've gotten to Internet the way it used to be, and I donate to the instances I use in order to keep it that way. I wish everyone would.

[-] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Someone showed me this and it's the closest I've seen to the way the internet used to be lol

Shows a different site every click

https://wiby.me/surprise/

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[-] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 35 points 1 month ago

Capitalism. No.

[-] john89@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 month ago

I totally agree. Corporate interests and rampant consumerism have ruined the majority of the internet.

Glad we still have refuges like lemmy though to take solace in. Proportionally we're a smaller part, but absolutely I'd say we're about the same or larger than in the 2000s.

[-] 0x0@programming.dev 17 points 1 month ago

we’re a smaller part

Quality trumps quantity anytime.

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[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 28 points 1 month ago

New rule: programmatic advertising is illegal

[-] Zementid@feddit.nl 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This. Lemmy is the way to go. Decentralized Communities connected via API.

I don't see many other possibilities. The system needs a "free for ever" mechanic or big money shits into everything.

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[-] AgentGrimstone@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

I think monetization ruined it. There's a lot more trash to sift through.

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[-] Deello@lemm.ee 21 points 1 month ago

How did we get here

Money!

[-] astrsk@fedia.io 10 points 1 month ago

can we go back?

No!

The genie is already out of the bottle BUT, one solution would be to raise the barrier to entry again.

Return the internet to the pre-"smart" phone era, in which a minimum bar of effort and knowledge needed to be present in order to connect and participate on the web.

In 2008~2010, the flood gates opened for all the normies to stampede in and everything has been downhill since then.

[-] Ilandar@aussie.zone 18 points 1 month ago

I agree to an extent, but the problem is not so much the normies themselves as it is the massive commercial market they represent. You might point to mainstream social media as evidence of a problem with the people themselves, but you would be overlooking the fact that the surveillance and attention economies have meant these social media platforms are deliberately designed to position people against one another to drive engagement so these companies can charge more to advertisers. Discourse on the internet isn't getting worse because there are more bad people online, it's getting worse because companies have a financial incentive to turn us into bad people when we are online.

[-] slaacaa@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

The normies are not the problem, they are the victims. The abusers are the giant corporation manipulating the masses and monetizing a publicly funded infrastructure for their own gains.

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[-] fishos@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

We're in Eternal September now. Have been for a few decades.

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[-] jj4211@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

To a large degree, the same internet that used to be, still is.

Keep in mind that in the era they are nostalgic for, the internet involved roughly 4% of the world's population. As big in the public conciousness was, it was a relatively small thing.

For example, most people see Lemmy as pretty small and much slower content coming at you than reddit. However Lemmy is still way bigger than what a mid 90s experience with the internet would be. I can still connect to play BBS Door games and there's barely anyone there, but there were barely any people there back then either. The "old" internet is still there, it's just small compared to the vast majority of the internet that came about later.

Some things are gone, but replaced. For example Geocities now has neocities, which is niche by today's standards, but wouldn't be shocked if neocities technically is bigger than geocities ever was in absolute terms.

Some things are gone and won't come back. The late 2000s saw a really nice and stable all-you-can-watch streaming experience from Netflix, and their success brought about maddening licensing deals where material randomly appears, moves, and disappears and where a lot of material demands more to "rent" than buying an actual Blu Ray disc of it would cost (have gone back to buying discs as of late because it's cheaper than streaming).

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[-] sundray@lemmus.org 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Free hosting, for everyone, without ads.

Ut-oh.

(But seriously, while it wasn't free, having an account with an ISP used to come with 10 MB of personal webspace without ads or anything. That's something you never really see these days.)

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[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Since when internet usage became wide spread enough that it could be used to make billions and/or promote political propaganda (which really ties back to again making money in most cases).

Anything that becomes used by a reasonable fraction of the whole world will be in the target of governments, venture capitalists (i.e individuals seeking for en masse manipulation). There is no way to prevent this as long as both exist.

Creating a lot of small communities rather than one large community is a good incentive but I think it fails to completely address this issue as long as they are interconnected in some way.

[-] MilitantAtheist@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago
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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Quality through obfuscation... make it harder to use. If the dimwits can't figure out how to use it...

Archive the entire thing and start over.

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