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[-] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 73 points 1 month ago

Ring-winger gun-nuts: the 2nd amendment is meant to keep us protected from a tyrannical government!!!!

This is the second attempt on the life of your wannabe god-emperor...are things starting to click into place yet or are you ready to admit it was never about "rights" and "freedoms" you just really like having guns

[-] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 38 points 1 month ago

I mean if they were serious about guns being used to make sure the tyrants and would be tyrants are always in fear of an assassin's bullet then what has been happening lately is EXACTLY what the 2nd amendment is intended for... and they are pissed because they are a bunch of wanna-be brownshirts who want to be the armed militia of the tyrant and kill his enemies without fear of prosecution. They just want to do it with their own personal weapons.

[-] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Now I wanna make a Pikachu face meme of him wearing a maga hat and one of those retarded UA fReEdOm tshirts

[-] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago

Tbf they actually view the other side as the tyrannical one and think their side is the savior, it isn't actually that hard to understand their feelings on that one.

Not saying that they're right, just that this is the explanation for this oft cited "disconnect." Basically just "nobody thinks they're the bad guy."

[-] cogman@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

I sort of wonder how much longer 2A idiocy will last in the US. The NRA has gone bankrupt and since they aren't able to funnel Russian money to politicians like they used to be able to, their influence is basically zero at this point.

With them out of the picture, there's really not a powerful gun lobby getting right wing media to talk about Democrats as gun grabbers.

If you peruse conservative spaces like I do, you'll notice that talking point has evaporated.

[-] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

The 2nd Amendment will likely be in place long after all of us are dead, because it is a right that the majority of Americans support, and because amending the Constitution is required to change it, and because amending the Constitution is very difficult.

Constitutional amendments require a 2/3 majority vote of both houses of Congress to pass (initially) then must also pass ratification by 3/4 of state legislatures. Only takes 13 red states to vote NO to block it. All of the red states are going to vote against it, every time, because the right to bear arms is an inherent right that we will never give up.

[-] cogman@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

2A absolutism is a recent invention in modern politics started by the NRA. Restrictions on guns and gun ownership have been in the law books since pretty close to the founding.

There are already restrictions on who can own guns and what guns can be purchased by the public.

When I say 2A insanity, I'm talking about Republicans blocking all common sense gun legislation. I don't think that will stay forever. I don't believe a repeal of 2A needs to happen to make things significantly better. You could, for example, make it illegal to sell/own guns under 30. You could ban magazines. You could limit the caliber of bullets sold. You could make gun manufacturers civilly liable for the advertisements they put out.

Before even addressing if 2A is a good amendment (it isn't) we can do all this

[-] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You could, for example, make it illegal to sell/own guns under 30.

When do people become adults? I think if we're doing shit like this we also have to raise the age of adulthood to (in this case 30). Meaning no military until 30, no smoking/vaping/drinking until 30, on your parent's insurance, they can't kick you out until then, can't be tried as an adult, age of consent, etc, and frankly we likely shouldn't trust kids with other deadly instruments such as cars until then either, they're clearly causing problems with those too considering the numbers on car accidents.

Frankly there is some scientific basis for all this, being that our brains don't stop developing until 25, but this half-adult stage where all of the negatives but none of the benefits apply is ridiculous to me. Fwiw I have this exact same argument about raising the smoking age, etc, it's not just guns, but talk of raising the age makes them relevant to that opinion for me. I'm not even necesarily against it, but for me personally to be on board it has to be bigger than "no guns til 30 just because." Besides, people 18-29, especially women, have a very good reason to have tools with which to defend themselves, and I personally think it'd be a shame to deny say a woman who is escaping an abusive ex those tools, especially considering often women date slightly older men meaning he may be able to get them while she can't, if she's 25ish and he's 30+.

You could ban magazines

Not really. You could ban detachable magazines, which is 99% of guns made after 1910, but that won't fly here because duh, you could ban detachable magazines over 10rnds, but that is entirely ineffective as it's defeated by "carrying another magazine or two," and reloading takes less than 2sec literally (way less if you train it which you can do in your room while watching TV.) That also includes almost every 9mm pistol in the country btw, which mostly have 14-17rnds standard, magazines aren't only in AKs and ARs.

You could limit the caliber of bullets sold.

I mean, in theory maybe that is legally possible? Maybe? But even still the venn diagram of "the deadliest calibre" and "the smallest calibre" is actually just a circle containing the word ".22lr" This is mostly due to quantity (availability/price), of course, but at any rate it illustrates that limiting calibre wouldn't do much since even the smallest calibre commonly available can kill with ease. On top of that the .223 rnd commonly used by mass shooters for example is .003" bigger in diameter than a .22lr, about 25gr heavier of a bullet, but with more powder making it carry about as much kinetic energy as a hot .357 rnd, they don't usw "high powered" rounds like the .50bmg or .338 lapua already, .223 is one of the weakest rifle rounds commonly used for self defense or hunting coyotes.

You could make gun manufacturers civilly liable for the advertisements they put out.

Where are you guys seeing gun ads, like, in Guns & Ammo magazine or something? I don't think I've ever seen one but I hear about them with the whole Daniel Defense scandal. At any rate, they already would be to a degree, like Juul was, that would apply to guns too if it is proven to target kids or something. But there would be a court case to determine culpability which they could win, that's just the way our system works really. Seems easy enough to just not buy those magazines for your kids or whatever. Do they even still have print magazines?

I'm not opposed to something that would actually work and couldn't be abused by some racist sheriff or governor to deny guns to POC et al. But most of the proposed legislation I've seen falls short of one or both of those (personal) requirements. Most things will be used to further burden marginalized populations in overpoliced neighborhoods just like drug prohibition is, it won't affect the people in gated communities at all.

[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

The NRA is bankrupt and has no influence? I hadn’t heard about that.

I do notice now that they are charging school shooters parents as well as the kid, maybe that will get people to start thinking about this differently. Maybe.

[-] cogman@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

https://theconversation.com/nras-path-to-recovery-from-financial-woes-leaves-the-gun-group-vulnerable-to-new-problems-201144

Looks like the bankruptcy was killed. But yeah, the NRA has been bleeding members and is spending it's money on legal flights. They are in a pretty bad state

[-] jdeath@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

it was bound to happen bc the NRA has advocated for a lot of gun control measures which are not very popular with the folks they were supposed to represent.

Throw in Trump has stated to take people's guns without due process, and Pence had to talk him out of it to ensure the 2A voters wouldn't turn against him, now apparently he wants to do outdoor events behind shields of some sort... I can imagine it will be long before MAGA followers agree it is to dangerous to have people buying guns without proper background checks... Which would have likely prevented this person from owning an AK, as he has previous weapons charges.

[-] Glytch@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Men like Donald Trump are the conservative argument in favor of guns. He's exactly the type of authoritarian the 2nd ammendment was meant to combat.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago

I wish there was some PAC that advocated for children instead of for firearms. Seems to me a lot more people have kids they love than arsenals.

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[-] zephorah@lemm.ee 32 points 1 month ago

People have handguns on their hips in grocery stores. And you don’t know where the concealed carry is (most don’t) because it’s…you know…concealed.

Kahr made concealed carry its advertise/sell point and doesn’t hit the bar for most clip capacity restrictions, so it’s pretty available.

Ok, this is a large, not concealed gun. But my point is, many Americans have guns and carry them, both concealed and otherwise, even while grocery shopping with their families.

How is this walking around with a gun thing a question? It’s been even more normalized the last 10yrs than ever before since the Wild West times ended.

What’s more interesting is this is shooter #2 who was once a trump supporter and then, quite dramatically, changed his mind. This deserves some analysis. We’re getting almost no analysis on the first guy.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

People have handguns on their hips in grocery stores.

Yeah, definitely not in my state.

No wonder these psychopaths never feel safe. Literally everyone down there is fucking armed.

[-] ralakus@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

I don't think it's the fact that they're armed that makes them not feel safe. It's the constant fear propaganda they're fed via Fox News, Facebook, Twitter, and other right wing "news" sources. The alt right propaganda machines scare these people into thinking that everyone and everything is out to get them so they go out and buy a gun. In more ~~civilized~~ progressive areas, people aren't exposed to alt right fear mongering as much and if they are, their community disproves and supports them so they don't fall down the "I must arm myself to kill anyone who might harm me" rabbit hole.

[-] limelight79@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago

Can confirm - I have an RV and whenever guns comes up in the online groups, it is clear that these people are absolutely CERTAIN they will be attacked. No "if", it's "when".

I assume these are the same people that end up murdering someone who knocked on the door of a house they thought was a friend's place, but were mistaken, or needed help in the middle of the night, stuff like that.

[-] zephorah@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

Hey, I’m only telling you what I’m seeing when I go outside. Seems more common than 10yrs ago too.

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[-] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago

Open carry is a really dumb idea. If a crook who wanted to steal someone's gun they can easily ambush the carrier to snatch it and escape. The job would be easier if they were working as a gang. Also if a mass shooter does come by and has half a brain cell, they'll scan the area for anyone openly carrying and take them out first before starting their shooting. You'd have to be REALLY paranoid when open carrying to prevent that kind of thing from happening, and 99.99% of the time you'll end up pulling a gun on an innocent person and get into some serious legal trouble for it.

What’s more interesting is this is shooter #2 who was once a trump supporter and then, quite dramatically, changed his mind. This deserves some analysis. We’re getting almost no analysis on the first guy.

We don't have much information on the first guy because there wasn't much info to be had. The best way I can analyze his behavior based on what was released to the public is 'hmmm, I want to kill a politician and it's going to be... let me think? Who is the closest and most convenient for me to get to right now? Oh yes, Trump is having a rally. So Trump it is!'

There is no evidence that he had any thing against Trump personally or politically. He just wanted to kill a politician. If Trump wasn't doing a rally there, but the mayor of the town was going to make a speech or presentation at that very spot, then the mayor would have been the target. Crooks just wanted to kill a politician, and wasn't too picky about which politician that was.

Also he apparently planned a whole spree of shootings right after. Not thinking that trying to kill an ex-president is going to make escape practically impossible. I don't think he even realized there would be Secret Service snipers on the roof tops, and one already had him in his sights before he started shooting, thus making any escape attempt impossible.

[-] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

People complain that these types of rifles count as conceal carry when it comes to bans because you can get a folding stock and keep it in a backpack on you or in your car. IMO, it defeats the purpose of concealed carry if it's not immediately available. At that point you're just transporting it.

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[-] kibiz0r@midwest.social 32 points 1 month ago

Guns don’t kill people. Gunmen kill people.

Now, you might ask: How do men become gunmen?

They’re born a man, and then one day they just decide to identify as a gunman? Makes no sense.

It’s those gun groomers. Corrupting your kid’s mind.

[-] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

They're bitten by a radioactive gun, giving them the proportional strength and speed of a gun as well as a "gun sense" warning them of danger.

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago
[-] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

That depends on the gun but at the very least no slower than one shot.

[-] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago
[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

What is the airspeed velocity of an unleaden swallow?

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

That’s COMPLETELY unfair! Women CAN be gun-females TOO. #notallmen

[-] SecretSauces@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

What do you have against tall men?!

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

They help make our cars unreasonably large, all in the name of inclusion. It’s another case of DEI run amuck.

We could solve global warming by shrinking our cars, our houses, our office buildings, if not for the tyranny of tall men

[-] kibiz0r@midwest.social 2 points 1 month ago

Drive a Smart Car to own the libs

[-] Neon@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

They’re born a man, and then one day they just decide to identify as a gunman

The Truth big Transgunder doesn't want you to know

Man, Autocorrect really did not want to let me type this out lol

[-] arockinyourshoe@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Guns don't kill people.

Nuh-uh.

I kill people. With guns.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I think Trump and the secret service keeps getting lucky that his assailants are idiots regarding their weapon choice. This guy was 300-500 yards away and had an AK.

An AK is a 4-5 MOA rifle at best, so even with perfect optics, a perfect shooter, no wind, and a steady position, you're looking at a precision of 2 feet at 500 yards, and that's ignoring that precision gets progressively worse at range.

At 500 yards, a 7.62x39 round has gone subsonic, lost 80% of its muzzle energy, and dropped 30 feet.

Anything under 1000 ft/lbs of ~~torque~~ force isn't considered powerful enough to ethically hunt a whitetail deer. At 500 yards, a 7.62x39 has less than a third of that energy. It's enough to be lethal, but not consistently.

And all that is the starting point for the first shot. It gets worse firing semi-auto.

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[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago
[-] tabularasa@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

Another Trump assassination attempt

[-] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

The cool part is that the two "would be" assassins were probably not at all related to each other and acted completely independently.

I wouldn't be out there golfing in open air if I was the orange stain bag. I would go find me a nice moldy hole to hide into with my friend putin so I can watch when they drag putin out first lol.

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