cross-posted from: https://slrpnk.net/post/13026188
People need to remember this.
I went back to university as a mature student. Our prof was like 15 minutes late and some "did you know if the prof is 15 minutes late you're legally allowed to leave?" Chatter started.
Me, the ornery old man of 26 had to explain to the teenagers that they're adults now and they can leave whenever the fuck they want. It's about choices now, not compulsion.
Except for a fact that the 15 mins rule absolves you from consequences from not being there - where absences can impact your grade. So far so, that some less important courses can get you a passing grade simply from going to the lectures.
Some teachers really should grow tf up. Why are they so butthurt over someone being present that they're adjusting test scores to fit?
If you can do all the assignments and compete the tests without showing up, there would be no problem.
However educational professionals have found out that the chance of you completing the tasks set for you is directly correlated to your showing up and praying attention.
Anything else both drops their own performance ratio, but, more importantly, is quite disrespectful of their profession.
Therefore you show up in time and compete your tasks before the deadline. Also disruptive behaviour in class is frowned upon as you negatively impact the ability of others to perform well.
So if you enroll in education, you follow the rules. If you didn't, you kind of have a point.
But if you think yourself a special care of genius that doesn't need to study and show up for class, please stay clear of education.
I do think showing up and paying attention is the right approach, it's what I prefer to do too!
But as you mentioned, "the chance of you completing the tasks set for you" ... aka tasks and tests that are used to measure performance. That should be used, not some correlative excuse for educators not to do their jobs
Agreed with your last statement. Respect is a reciprocal affair
Most teachers are very respectable. But grading for petty reasons? that's not respectful. Especially if it's for a paid service that you're getting paid, and are able to do regardless of all students being present
That's what reciprocal means tbh
Someone has more to their personal life, some teachers reciprocate by being a petty Karen. I don't think that's the right approach
Yeah, nobody is ever able to complete university level study without sitting in lecture halls listening to egotistical professors ramble on, that's not possible...
Not saying it's not possible. Just that the system is like that for a reason. And it's really silly if you sign into a specific curriculum and not plan to adhere to it's rules.
It's like buying an expensive tool and throw out the manual, use it in a way it's not designed to and then complain about it.
You can just not enroll, or enroll in a open uni, like you posted. But don't enroll, go against the rules and then complain.
I will forever remember when an incompetent, misogynistic neurologist expressed utter shock when I ended the appointment.
I reported him before I even left the hospital, and amazingly--miraculously!--, I got a message from him a couple of days later wherein he was taking my issues much more seriously.
That's amazing. Kudos to you!
K-12 education and other obligations have reinforced the social norm of enduring and sitting through uncomfortable circumstances due to fear of punishment or reprisal.
Is it so shocking that the behavior drilled into people continues to pervade their norms?
Good point. It is so unbelievably unhealthy, tbh.
I once walked out after waiting for the doctor to show up for the appt for an hour.
Next time I called, some eight months later, he no longer worked there, which was helpful as I was going to request someone new anyway.
I like to think he was fired in part because of me, and I did tell the front desk why I was leaving at the time.
I don't know if that's fair. Scheduling is not left up to the doctors, for the most part. Being an hour late is terrible and I would also be very frustrated by it, but that could be because he had a patient or two before you whose issues were much more serious or complicated than they seemed to be during scheduling.
I don't know. I see this from both perspectives, having been a patient of dozens of doctors at this point. It's not always their fault. It's not even usually their fault.
I can see where you're coming from, but it really isn't that hard to ask a nurse to go communicate that you'll be late/need to reschedule.
I completely agree. I just don't blame the doctors for it. I blame the way the entire medical system is set up. Doctors tend to be overworked.
This is a good assessment. I'm a 3rd year medical student in my clinical rotations, and yesterday we had an appointment that was scheduled in a 20 minute slot, but we were in there for a bit over 45 minutes. Taking the time to really listen and answer questions is important...especially when the appointment is to discuss newly discovered metastatic pancreatic cancer. You just do not rush that conversation.
Thank you. Not for backing me up, but for not rushing your patients. You're off to a good start.
When I was a clinic assistant and in my current role as a student, I have done my best to kind of "run interference" by getting some portion of the next appointments done to give the physician more cover and keep the next patients from getting too mad about the wait. I also give an explanation with my apologies, saying something like "we had a bit of an emergency come up", or "the previous patient ended up needing more time than we had scheduled" while apologizing for the delays.
Oh, I had other problems with that particular doc already and at no point was I told he'd be late or how long he would be.
I was late to work in the end too.
Depending on the practice, doctors absolutely can have input on their schedules. And they often overbook themselves even when they are on call.
That is why I said "for the most part".
In the US at least, almost all doctors have total ironclad control over their schedule.
Source, worked 17 years in a mutli-hospital system that also had over hundred practices.
Not saying shit doesn't happen, I just spent an hour and a half at a Vet, because they had dog it by a car come in. But it's mostly on the doctors themselves if it happens chronically.
Every practice I've worked in or been in as a medical student is almost the complete opposite of what you described. Yes, the physicians can have some influence over their schedule, but the organizations set minimum numbers of appointments which results in truncated appointment times with an extra hour or so at the end of the day to finish all the notes. And even if the physician has control over how the schedule is made, that cannot account for other patients being late, or appointments taking longer than scheduled because of serious discussions or problems that need to be addressed, or the physician getting pulled away for urgent consults or messages.
As a patient, I would rather have a physician that runs late on appointments because they give the patients as much time as they need as opposed to a provider that is perfectly punctual and makes you schedule another appointment or punts you for anything that exceeds the slotted time.
leaves work
Unless you've got some savings, probz a good idea to find a better job first
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