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[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Every time you help another person, a demon jabs Milton Friedman with a pitchfork.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

Causing him to take a massive shit into Ayn Rand's forced-open mouth.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I hate to nitpick but technically libertarians (especially small l, but even big L, which are different, and you used small l), are fine with helping people and mutual aid and altruism. What they have problems with is that being compulsory. They think that if you want to go help say the homeless or single mothers or animals or whatever your prerogative is, you should willingly donate your money to the cause if you have the money to spare and the will to share, but you should not be able to use the government to point a gun at some other guy to force him donate to your pet cause (i.e their view of taxes.)

I mean, there are certainly things to be said about that as well, some people believe helping others should be compulsory for example, and some things become a lot harder to organize without taxes, but it's helpful to at least understand the actual argument of your opponent and argue against it coherently instead of pushing strawmen that make it seem as if you don't entirely grasp their argument. A better example would be "any time taxes help someone a libertarian dies" for instance in this case.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So a three year old who crosses their arms, yells no, and falls to the floor.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

I’ve never met anyone who called themselves a libertarian and also acted altruistically.

Just my anecdote.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

i guess i gotta help people now. and that's doubly altruistic because of all the children I'm going to save indirectly.

[–] Emmie@lemmings.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

It’s such a convoluted philosophy it’s impossible to even say what it is because it means ten different things for ten different countries. In my country they are weird amalgamation of monarchists, conservatives and ultra-capitalist catholics but in Russia they like fight for lgbt rights.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No. Actually the philosophy is quite clear. The man who coined the term and was the first libertarian was a revolutionary in the French Revolution. The problem is so many people apply the noun to things that clash with the ideology.

Libertarians are not libertarian. Ideologically Libertarians often tend to be fascistic. But are so hyper self-centered. They do not buy into and will not participate in embracing any group identity.

[–] Emmie@lemmings.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I wish people stayed true to the original definition of words. Politics would be much easier to navigate. But alas who doesn’t do social manipulation these days: We are freedom fighters except we hate lgbt and are pro Catholicism and some even want return of monarchy vote for us!

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The definition hasn't changed. Soviet Russia a Marxist leninist Nation had a party called the Communist party. They were not communist. At least not outside of aspirationally. They were still Marxist leninist. But they rely on people easily being confused between nouns and adjectives

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