Germany to halt new Ukraine military aid: Report (www.politico.eu)

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[-] NoiseColor@startrek.website 44 points 3 months ago

It's just messed up messaging. Germany will continue to deliver all the aid that was promised and they might add new aid, but the financing will be different.

At this point it is necessary to mention Germany provides a lot.

Also to mention, maybe Germany gov should change their Pr department. These kinds of things have now became a pattern.

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.org 11 points 3 months ago

Also to mention, maybe Germany gov should change their Pr department. These kinds of things have now became a pattern.

as a german, I totally agree. Also adding more scrutiny, and perhaps fining for lies or half-lies, regarding reporting on these topics by public media couldn't hurt.

[-] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 months ago

Not a PR issue, a coordinated media bias issue. A great number of german media is owned in one way or another by the Springer company, and as such a small group of very rich kingmakers. The current government isnt conservative so they get the most hostile coverage imaginable, on purpose.

[-] NoiseColor@startrek.website 1 points 3 months ago

I didn't know that. Can you recommend an article or something about that?

[-] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 months ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axel_Springer_SE

This is the publishing house in question. It has a decidedly conservative bias and has often been considered a sort of shadow power behind the throne with its immense reach and influence; able to significantly affect the political discourse and public opinion. You could probably compare them to the Murdoch / fox news empire in many ways.

[-] napoleonsdumbcousin@feddit.org 4 points 3 months ago

Specifically the funding will come from frozen Russian assets, which many people requested since the moment they were frozen. But now for some reason some newspapers found a way to bury it under clickbait titles.

future funding would no longer come from Germany's federal budget but from proceeds from frozen Russian assets, according to the German newspaper.

[-] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

I am an immigrant in Germany and I have C2 German, but reading the news makes me doubt that. I swear there were articles saying legalization of marijuana was certain, then off the table, then up for vote, then failed, and then it happened but there wasn’t much news about that.

[-] olafurp@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

There was a piece of law that passed on weed. Home growing is now allowed within limits and I think possession was relaxed also.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Have we reached the phase we are giving Ukraine weapons as loans to put them into massive debt and then the IMF swoops in to colonize their country?

[-] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago

What do you think the euromaidan demonstrations were (in part) about? A massive IMF loan.

[-] NoiseColor@startrek.website -2 points 3 months ago

You can frame it like that or you could frame it that life saving weapons are provided while wrapping financing into something the countries can digest.

[-] norimee@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago

I find these headlines all misleading.

Germany discusses for weeks now the next year's federal budget and the ruling parties are at odds about spending and accumulation of new debts. And they agreed now, that future Ukraine aid will not come out of the federal budget.

All already approved aid to Ukraine will still be delivered. Nothing is "halted".

All new aid, to be approved for the next fiscal year will not come from the federal budget but will be financed with seized Russian assets.

So, Germany doesn't stop Ukraine aid at all. They just have to finance it differently in the next year.

[-] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 months ago

There are only $4Bn worth of Russian assets in Germany. To date, Germany had been sending more than $10Bn per year.

Further, once those Russian assets are gone, they're gone. Without federal budget allocations, that's it. That's the end of Germany aid.

[-] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

They are misleading and intentionally so. Either 'just' as rage bait or as a genuine attempt at spreading misinformation.

There is a 4 billion budget for aid next year - which is of course excluding EU aid and aid financed via dividends of frozen russian assets.

[-] Senseless@feddit.org 5 points 3 months ago

As part of the Axel Springer SE politico is not a credible source.

[-] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Where is the media bias fact check bot when you actually need it 😔

[-] index@sh.itjust.works -3 points 3 months ago

Good, send them actual aid and not weapons to their government.

[-] Podunk@lemmy.world -4 points 3 months ago

Im reluctant to ask, but i feel obligated to do so. what in your mind is the difference in this scenario?

I feel your reasoning will tell alot. Lets go.

[-] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 3 months ago

You don't know the difference between weapons used for terrorist attacks on civilians and food and medical aid for civilians?

[-] index@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago

Ukraine government is just as much corrupted as the government of germany, france, italy or russia. Have you seen climate activists and protesters getting beaten over there? Sending billions on military aid to an authoritarian government that is trying to conscript everyone isn't a good thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobilization_in_Ukraine#2024

"As of 26 April 2024, the Polish government has offered, and the Lithuania governments is considering, repatriating Ukrainian men living in their countries to Ukraine. So that they can be drafted into the Ukrainian military. It is a “rough estimate” that some 300-400,000 men alone are living in Poland"

This is part of how the polish government is aiding ukraine. Don't you think it would be better to give these escaping the war aid and hospitality instead of handling them back to their government?

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[-] _edge@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 months ago

Well, it coincides. There's a possibility that this announcement is sending a message.

On the surface, the decision was about national debt and budget, and has nothing to do with Ukraine except that there's no infinite money glitch.

[-] sfera@beehaw.org 2 points 3 months ago

No, it's not related to that.

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 months ago

Honestly I'm amazed it took this long for some blowback for blowing up infrastructure the very allies we're begging to support our war depend on for heating.

[-] L3dpen@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 months ago

Or you could read the article and see that’s not even remotely the issue, and the title is as per usual misleading.

Germany planned 8 billion eur financial support for Ukraine this year. That’s been used up. So, no more monetary (!) aid unless they find some spare change in the budget, which they won’t.

And to preempt the next headline: Germany’s spending next year on Ukraine will be halved, yes… Because there’re plans for an international fund.

Also while “Olaf” is the one naying further spending, he’s not doing so independently of the ruling coalition. He has little agency.

Obligatory fuck Lindner and fuck the FDP.

[-] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 months ago

This is just a load of horseshit designed to give the west a way out of this failed war of America's.

[-] norimee@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago

No. Read the article instead just spewing opinions and conspiracy theories.

It's about national debt and changing the financing of aid to Ukraine.

Nothing is halted. Future aid will not be financed by the federal budget, but from proceeds of seized russian assets.

[-] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 months ago

Which is a FRACTION of what German aid was. Germany has spending around $10Bn in aid to Ukraine annually and there is only $4Bn worth of Russian assets in Germany. And not all assets have been seized. It's also only generating, at most $1Bn in interest annually. So they can send the interest to Ukraine, or they can seize 100% of the principal and send that to Ukraine and then it's over, because the assets will be gone. Either way, it's tantamount to the end of Germany aid.

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