mod accountability rule [action taken] (lemmy.cafe)

submitted 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) by spujb@lemmy.cafe to c/196@lemmy.blahaj.zone

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Important context: This was an instance of a crowd crush caused by poor crowd control.

edit: action has now been taken against the offending comment :)

(also some of you guys in the comments here have been yoinked by mods too… just be nice? this post was not an invitation to test out your boundaries)

by opening this spoiler you acknowledge that brigading and harrassment are against the rules

link to post in question: https://lemmy.world/comment/10965360

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[-] PeachyMcPeachface@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 days ago

Locking this post. It's 2 days old and we're still getting new reports. Be nice.

[-] Themadbeagle@lemm.ee 47 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Something that always gets me is when people lump in anti-religion with these others. Reglion in any country with freedom of religion is a choice, these other things are not. Someone doesn't choose to be a particular ethnic group. Someone doesn't choose to be disabled. People don't choose to be gay or have gender dysphoria People do choose to believe in things that I think are ridiculous and saying that I cannot call that out is just religious people saying you can't call them out. If you can tell me I am burning in hell because I don't believe in your pie man in the sky then I can tell you that you are stupid for believing in a pie man in the sky and comment on absurd actions that are caused by those beliefs.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 15 points 4 days ago

telling someone they are going to burn in hell for their religion/atheism would also be anti-religious and should be treated as such :)

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago

People do choose to believe in things that I think are ridiculous and saying that I cannot call that out is just religious people saying you can't call them out.

And what value does your calling them out add to the discussion? Does it lead to an interesting nuanced conversation? Or is it immediately just people insulting each other while saying nothing other than "you're wrong"?

If it never leads to useful or interesting discussion and only leads to flame wars and arguments then it should be banned.

[-] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 days ago

To the extent of "what does calling out anyone for anything lead to an interesting nuanced discussion" so should we ban calling people out?

Ultimately it's ambiguous and we need to draw a line in the sand somewhere, but it's reasonable for people to disagree where to draw that line.

[-] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 4 points 3 days ago

Calling out irrational religious belief helps remove that pollution from the zeitgeist. It helps take damaging, incorrect beliefs out of important decision-making processes.

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[-] Tregetour 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

If the mod team on this instance is going to be that prescriptive around how religion is mentioned, then they're better off just blanket-banning any mention of it altogether, like on Whirlpool.

If you're a , and in the natural course of discussion people start criticizing ideas that inform 's beliefs and ethics, that's not a personal attack. It's not 'bigotry' on the basis that you disagree. It's not 'trolling' purely because it made you upset.

I'm going to separately post the famous Charlie Hebdo cover in this thread, the one published after Muslim extremists murdered their people over cartoons. If this instance is so straitjacketed by Australia's ridiculous lawmaking in this area that it cannot tolerate such a post, then it's not a forum for adults.

[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 12 points 3 days ago

how the fuck is this an appropriate comment to make in response to someone getting yanked over explicitly saying a specific religion was "made up".

This is not a situation dealing with a critique of "Ideas that inform" this was straight up the statement "Your faith is made up bullshit and people died stupidly because of this made up bullshit"

[-] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 20 points 3 days ago

Religions are made up. Most of us would be better off without that bullshit influencing our lives.

[-] Tregetour 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

'Anti-religious comment' accurately describes my scenario. Anyone who dislikes the hypothetical critique can simply hit the report button and it will get wiped if Rule 4 is read at face value.

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[-] Tregetour 13 points 3 days ago

[-] cybermass@lemmy.ca 87 points 4 days ago

Is expressing atheist beliefs inherently anti-religious?

Seems like a bad cope to me

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 88 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

No, but “I may die in a stupid way (but not as stupid as these religious people who were trampled to death because of a dust storm)” is anti-religious.

[-] cybermass@lemmy.ca 31 points 4 days ago

I understand your point

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[-] yetAnotherUser@lemmy.ca 54 points 4 days ago

Ah yes, please do complain about it in a community that has nothing to do with it!

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 21 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

😊

for those interested i am working on it :) trying to figure something out because i also recognize this is suboptimal

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[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 52 points 4 days ago

Damn, this post left out some really crucial context. I assumed the comment was left in response to someone martyring themselves, probably after having killed others in the name of their sky fairy. And in that context I'd have backed them 100% in what they were saying about it.

But yeah, your reply there said it better than anyone could. The comment was completely out of place and inappropriate.

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[-] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 28 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Flying Squid told me I had psychosis because I disagreed with their views on religion. They're an asshole.

[-] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 8 points 4 days ago

That's a stupid thing to say. I recently had an exchange with him and found out he's kind of off his rocker, so I wouldn't sweat it too much if I were you.

[-] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 days ago

Sorry. Let me get this right. You had an exchange with a stranger on the internet that didn’t agree with you? They said some crazy stuff so you thought: fuck it. You didn’t argue and start throwing insults. You didn’t take offence from what a rando was saying. You just kinda ignored it and got on with your life? Wtf is wrong with you, my friend? I hope you’re happy in your adult, stress-free, mature life choices.

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[-] minibyte@sh.itjust.works 44 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

No such rules in this one – your god is a lie sold to castrate and incapacitate you.

[-] wander1236@sh.itjust.works 42 points 4 days ago

Does that mean you deserve to die in a crowd crush, something not at all unique to religious gatherings?

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 43 points 4 days ago

r/atheism and its consequences have been disastrous to the traditional practice of being a decent human being online

[-] imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee 26 points 4 days ago

Riiiiiiiight it's atheists that are the problem. Not just shitty people who happen to be atheist...

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago

Being an atheist and being a member of r/atheism are not the same thing

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[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago

Riiiiiiiight it's atheists that are the problem. Not just shitty people who happen to be atheist...

90% of religious people have a similar reaction when people complain about shitty people who happen to be religious.

Turns out you find shitty people in every group. Who knew?

[-] imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee 4 points 3 days ago

Problem is atheists are complaining about the people who run the religion, there's no "head of the atheism"

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago

The linked comment isn't complaining about the head of anything.

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[-] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago

While not impossible elsewhere. Extremely large crush killings like this happen with alarming regularity at religious events.

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[-] shani66@ani.social 17 points 4 days ago

Kind of off topic, but man it bothers me to see what r/atheism has done to religious discussions. Christianity isn't religion, it is a singular religion amongst a sea of far less stupid and destructive religions. It's always so obvious when someone is just talking about their Christian trauma instead of, say, sikhism or something.

[-] riodoro1@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago

every religion has a potential to become what christianity and islam is now. If you tell people to willfully ignore facts and prefer in their place something they wish to be true, and at the same time tell them what to wish for, you have a cult of very gullible people. Religion is not a framework of ethics as religious people like to say, but instead it’s a framework of stupidity.

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[-] Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 3 days ago

It's even worse than that, because Christianity isn't even a singular religion, it's a set of related religions, some of which are incredibly problematic and others the worst they have going for them is they "are technically a religion"