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As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] ptz@dubvee.org 25 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We have this problem in WV, too, but also with coal mines.

Mining companies have to put up reclamation bonds to get permits, but those bonds aren't even close to the cost of cleanup. So companies just abandon ship, forfeit the bonds (which are far less than the cost of cleanup/remediation), and the taxpayers are left to foot the cleanup bill. In the meantime, they leach heavy metals and other toxic crap into nearby communities.

[–] generichate1546@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 4 months ago

I read an article in Colorado what's happening is due to some sort of legal loophole companies are able to spin off their unprofitable Wells into a tertiary corporation and then that company can go bankrupt and because it has no assets of any value

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 24 points 4 months ago

Too bad, so sad. Time to fine them to the moon and back.

[–] ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 21 points 4 months ago

Sounds like the companies should have thought of that when deciding to drill.

Fine them for every cent spent

[–] thejevans@lemmy.ml 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm personally working on this problem. It sucks, and the politics are frustrating as hell, but the people working at the State of CO to reign in oil and gas are making every penny of funding work as hard as it can.

[–] match@pawb.social 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] thejevans@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago

I honestly don't really know. I know that The Environmental Defense Fund and The Clean Air Task Force have a strong presence in the state, so it may be worth donating or volunteering for them.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Those poor independent little oil wells. Totally disconnected from kajillion-dollar global industries.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's the idea: extract the oil, pay out everything as dividends or share buybacks, and then sell the well to a doomed-to-fail company which can declare bankruptcy and leave the public responsible for cleaning up the mess. The oil industry has a long history of taking advantage of inadequate bond requirements for oil wells to do exactly that.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Fuck the bond requirements, just find a judge who'll call bullshit. Shell companies are not a new scam.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)
[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

You mean they don't want to.

BURN THEM TO THE GROUND

If you're wondering if I mean metaphorically or literally, first one, then the other but in a climate-friendly way.

[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 months ago

Maybe limited liability should not apply to negligence.

Change the laws so you can go after the shareholders other assets.

[–] BlackJerseyGiant@beehaw.org 4 points 4 months ago

What's that? Is it the sound of Energy Cost of Energy knocking at the door? Oh, and look at this, they've left a pamphlet titled "The bell tolls for thee, intensive input agricultural base, it tolls for thee"

[–] moon@lemmy.cafe 4 points 4 months ago

Every part of these oil companies is just pure evil.

[–] generichate1546@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 4 months ago

Yet fucking tax credits? Fuck off

[–] casmael@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago

So if you can’t handle the liability then maybe don’t do it idk. If I was king heads would roll.

[–] set_secret@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

In Australia, a similar situation occurs where mining companies receive significant subsidies, pay minimal taxes, generate billions in revenue and profit, and leave taxpayers responsible for site remediation costs amounting to hundreds of millions of dollars. Despite these subsidies, Australians do not benefit from cheaper products or electricity. Much of the mined resources are exported, and Australia often buys them back at significantly higher prices. And yet, apparently, Australians are okay with this.