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I wouldn't worry about it ,Jack (lemmy.world)
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[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 108 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

That’s not entirely true. Everyone is affected by Biden’s tax plan.

Yes, you’ll pay more in taxes if you make more than $400k, even more if you’re a corporation, billionaire, investment fund manager, use gift tax loopholes in trusts, or manipulate life insurance loopholes.

If you’re part of the working class, you’ll be paying lower taxes, earning increased child or low-income housing tax credits, as well as earned income credit.

https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy2169

[-] Bye@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

What about retired people?

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago

Retired people are generally working class too. Unless the person owns/owned a large corporation, that is.

[-] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 6 points 3 days ago

Doesn’t that make them not retired?

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

I cannot functionally tell the difference from doing 2 hours of work at a Hampton vacation home and being retired. So I would say "not necessarily".

[-] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 4 points 3 days ago

It’s a dollar amount in America though.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

You’re allowed to work as many hours as you want and continue to collect Social Security once you reach full retirement age. You’ll be taxed on your earned income as well as Social Security benefits.

https://www.ssa.gov/benefits/retirement/planner/whileworking.html

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

That's my point. A billionaire owner can be functionally retired while still being "employed". A worker who's 65 years old cannot.

[-] Bye@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Sure but they get their money the same way the rich do, via capital gains.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Not necessarily. Social Security is taxable income. About 40% of people who collect it make enough to have to pay taxes on it. They’d be in the same tax brackets as the lower end of the working class. The remaining 60% make too little to pay taxes on their annual income.

https://www-origin.ssa.gov/benefits/retirement/planner/taxes.html#:~:text=About%2040%25%20of%20people%20who,in%20addition%20to%20your%20benefits.

[-] Neato@ttrpg.network 5 points 3 days ago

That would be in lieu of income taxes, yes. Also doesn't apply for ss or pensions.

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Capitalism forces even the unwilling to participate. It's a matter of fact that the only way to afford a retirement in the last 50 years as a worker is to invest in private capital. I already want to see the total annihilation of coerced labor, I don't want to work for my entire life.

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 1 points 3 days ago

What government or economic system doesn't do that? Even if the system is fully autonomous and opt in, it implicitly obligates interaction if it is enforced by any means (or the use of another system is prohibited)

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

If you're asking about that bit of snark at the end about coerced labor, I can try to explain it.

I consider there to be 3 loose types of labor: forced, coerced, and controlled. Forced labor is what it sounds like: incarcerated labor, slavery, etc controlled through violence and defined by the bosses total control over their labor and often their life. Coerced labor shares a bit of overlap with forced labor, but it's primarily defined through modern capitalist work in which workers must perform waged labor due to economic pressure.

Controlled labor would be the free association to work where the worker wished and contribute at their own pace. I consider the picturesque version of controlled labor to be a unionized worker cooperative in which all management is elected within a socialist economy. Work is still directed by management, but it's free of coercion due to the lack of economic pressure that would require a person to be forced to work.

There will still be coercion through other means within such a socialist society, and it will still be just as evil as economic coercion. But we should strive to eliminate it wherever possible. That's why I believe even the co-op would need a union, to establish protections against such coercion.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The plan is closing the Medicare tax loophole for $400k+ earners. I didn’t mention it because it’s an additional tax on the first category mentioned in both the meme and my comment.

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

"Oh so you want to punish people that work hard to make a big salary, just for the sake of lazy burger flippers?"

"You make less than $400k, does that mean you're lazy?"

:(

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 49 points 3 days ago

No, but the company that powers the servers they run on does.

And somehow a bunch of hicks in the boonies relate to these fucks when their ancestors used to run moonshine in fast cars around law enforcement. What happened?

[-] cerement@slrpnk.net 28 points 3 days ago

when their ancestors fought against the same companies they’re deep-throating the boots of

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 33 points 3 days ago

Not that this will be mentioned in any of the media they consume. They'll be lied to and they'll believe it because they don't fact-check their "leaders."

[-] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 41 points 3 days ago

But one day I might be a billionaire and when that happens, I don't want to pay taxes.

[-] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago

Leela: Why are you cheering, Fry? You're not rich!

Fry: True, but someday I might be rich. And then people like me better watch their step.

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

god will make me a trillionare because my pastor has a corporate jet. I don't want any of my god dollars to go the gubmint.

[-] Omega_Man@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

When I eventually make over 400k, I will be so mad about this!

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

"I'm mad on behalf of the people who make over $400k a year that I idolize!"

[-] III@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

These heroes protecting the billionaires. If we don't help the billionaires horde all of the money, who will?

[-] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 3 points 3 days ago

We have taught kids to kill dragons not reduce thier taxes.

[-] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

These people would rather die than have what’s good for them. I really wish we could just let them die and then move on with what’s good for the rest of us.

I don’t care if they admit they’re wrong. As long as they go away forever. I would literally pay it to see that.

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 7 points 3 days ago

Honestly, reminding them they're too poor to be affected probably isn't the best way to make a convincing argument.

Then again, that presumes good faith, and redcaps wouldn't know good faith if it burned them when their skin was exposed to it like a vampire.

[-] nycki@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Its not that they think they'll be affected. Its that they believe the market is "fair", and therefore rich people must have "earned it", and taxes are an unfair punishment.

Of course the reality is that the market is only ever fair when it approaches equilibrium, which is typically achieved through taxes...

[-] andrewth09@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

"Of course I don't, thanks to YOUR policies"

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