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Please please please can we stop the conspiracy theories from blowing up in this thread? Can we not act like them?
Conspiracy theories aside, I'd like to see people mocking the injury with little red ear clips, just like these assholes mocked John Kerry with purple heart band-aids:
Why?
Because they need to be mocked.
looks like shit
Nah, man. Why step down to their level?
Because “when they go low we go high” was a stupid strategy, and not only did it not work, but it paved the way for Trump to win.
Making rhetoric that connects with the idiots and bigots in America who are old enough to vote is, annoyingly, a required part of political campaigns here, especially if your intent is to peel any of those votes away from populist candidates. It’s just social engineering.
Yeah but the flyover states don't matter.
Eyes on the prize.
Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia.
They're not quite "flyover states", but they're less liberal than you might hope.
"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."
-Nietzsche
I don't think it's a conspiracy theory to think that the actor turned politician decided to act like he was getting shot for attention. He's a reality show host that says shocking things. I don't think it's a far stretch to say he would fake an assassination attempt when it's in every other movie in Hollywood. This is in his wheelhouse.
NYT photographer got the photo of the bullet, it seems that TMZ's reporting that it was glass from the teleprompter is not correct:
https://x.com/spectatorindex/status/1812293722832318726
There very well could be bullets. One person died. However, I don't think it's a far stretch to say he would sacrifice someone to gain what he wants to gain.
He has been proven to manipulate with the Russians for the last election. Is it that big of a leap to think he would stage a dramatic scene for sympathy? Plus he walked away without any harm.
Uh... I hate Trump and everything, but if someone made my ear BLEED, I wouldn't exactly call it harmless.
He walked away when a "bullet" hit him. Any other bullet is a major injury or death. Relatively speaking it's harmless. He needs to "get over it". His own words.
Oh, I see what you're doing now. You're trying to turn his words against him. I can get behind that.
But to reiterate, anything that makes you bleed is not harmless.
We are witness to a truly baffling idiocy...
Oh my god dude this is exactly what right wing fuckwits are doing to make sure it was “definitely a radical gay woke leftist” wake the fuck up. You are indulging the exact same conspiratorial thinking and circular logic they do. You’ve decided what happened and are cobbling together “evidence” in the form of “it’s possible.”
Get off your computer for an hour and go take a walk or something. Wait for actual information.
No u
Grow up
I can assure you I'm more grown than you
Removed, civility.
Removed, civility.
Removed, civility.
This is literally a conspiracy theory.
Uh huh. You are selling that he's that important and that people care that much. I don't buy it. Go forth with your blind eyes. Mine see a better truth ;)
You sound like a QAnon grifter.
How? I'm bitching about how someone else has control over my life? No. I just don't believe some event is shaking out the way they wanted it to. It's what half of America has been asking for. Including him.
You did not say it was just shaking out the way they want it to. You were coming up with conspiracy theories for how it happened. Stop playing dumb/innocent. We both know exactly what you’re doing and it is insulting that you think you can pretend it was anything else.
I am not coming up with it. It's been said since it's happened. Because he's a grifter that no one trusts and it's in his character to lie. Maybe try not being a douchebag and people will care if you are shot at and not think it's another grift 🤷
Trump is a piece of shit and a part of me wishes he was just a few cm over but I am also not a psychopath and understand that’s a bit twisted and I can’t let me hatred/fear of him drive me into conspiracy land.
Occam’s razor is clear here and we have NO evidence to the contrary. If new evidence emerges showing there is some potential fuckery with what happened I will gladly revise my stance. But until that evidence emerges, all I see is a tragic story of a 20-year-old two years out of high school that thought this was how he was going to solve his/our collective problem.
So walk me through how that conversation goes in your head. Trump is just this side of senile, so he definitely couldn't have come up with a convoluted plot involving his attempted assassination, so it 100% would have had to be a suggestion of someone else. So let's walk through the conversation that must have happened for this to have been a fake assassination attempt.
"So Mr. Trump, I think that the best thing to do to ensure you're going to win the next election is to have someone shoot very near you. Maybe the bullet will graze you, maybe it'll hit the teleprompter and send shards of glass your way. But either way, it'll be a very close thing, and you'll suffer a minor injury along the way."
Do you honestly think that Donald Trump, the guy who got out of the draft because of bone spurs, the guy who gets queasy at the sight of blood, the guy who has spent the last 2 months talking about how he'd cling to a battery to get electrocuted instead of taking his chances with a shark, would be ok with being shot at? Seriously?
Because if that's what you think, you and I don't occupy the same universe.
Be creative. Let's say you are a decision maker in Trump's orbit. You think now is a good time to do something big to fire up your base.
Do you tell trump and risk bad acting or do you set it up without his knowledge? I believe the injury is genuine but that doesn't rule out the idea that the situation was set up to have a minimal chance of permanent injury to the candidate while giving him incredible PR and the chance to look strong.
I think that the idea that it was faked is so outlandish that it would require a good amount of evidence before the prospect could even be considered in serious conversation. There is zero evidence that it was faked. By far the most likely explanation is that someone who had a bone to pick with Donald Trump, and who was not particularly skilled at making shots 150 yards away climbed up onto a roof and grabbed the opportunity that lax security provided.
You start throwing in conspiracies about how it was an inside job, and everything becomes so much more complicated, logistics-wise. Complicated plots do happen, but to suggest that was the case here with zero evidence is laughable.
I ain't saying I believe this. I think it has a low but non zero plausibility level. It's also not 'faked', my hypothetical is a real guy really shooting at trump but with the scenario manipulated to limit permanent damage or death of the candidate.
It's more believable than a full faked assassination attempt with fake blood, given the proximity of bystanders and cameras.
I would think the smartest play would to be near him say 10 yards where it would "look" close enough. Actually take out the sacrifice. But then go down and act as hit with a blood pack or cut himself on the ear when he was on the ground. The graze is just an illusion. Kind of like the bullet catch trick if you are familiar with magic tricks.
I mean, he was very involved in professional wrestling for a number of years.
There aren't sufficient words to describe the lack of intelligence in this comment.
someone died, plus the shooter. At least one other attendee was injured.