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N.B. misandry is not real because men are not systemically oppressed (uninternalize your reddit MRA today: men suffer some drawbacks under the patriarchy but ultimately still maintain it due to the large amount of privileges they receive under it!)

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[-] Angel@hexbear.net 49 points 5 months ago

I always feel uneasy about discourse supporting misandry (even though I am a misandrist for all intents and purposes).

This stems from me being an AMAB non-binary person, honestly. I am not a man, I am definitely systemically oppressed, but some people with misandrist outlooks will have an essentialist mindset and use it to hate me as if I'm not systemically oppressed (simply because cis men aren't; they equate me with cis men).

As a non-binary person in particular, I feel this strongly because most people don't take non-binary people as valid, so I'm effectively interpreted as just a "weird" variant of a cis man even though I'm on HRT and seeking surgeries. Not so shockingly, I find that this happens to binary trans women too but to a lesser extent.

I also don't believe that a lot of mainstream feminists are actually opposed to transphobia, so that heightens my fears too.

[-] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 29 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Don't worry, TERFs aren't being misandric towards you. They're too busy allying with reactionary men and being misogynistic to trans feminine people instead.

[-] Angel@hexbear.net 28 points 5 months ago

It's not just TERFs. That's why I said I don't believe that a lot of mainstream feminists are actually opposed to transphobia. I'm talking about liberals when I say this. Since pretending to give a shit about oppression is a major part of being a liberal, this isn't shocking, though.

[-] EelBolshevikism@hexbear.net 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

They claim their transmisogyny is actually misandry even though it really isn’t, and the reason challenging that “misandry” is important, rather than just telling them to stop being transphobic, is because it’s actually a form of deterministic gender-essentialist misandry (which also only affects trans people because cis men do not need to care about having support from the feminist movement) which manifests as transphobia (and transmisogyny most often) and without a proper ideological base to dismiss such concepts they’ll keep popping up

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