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Women-only museum becomes a toilet to keep men out
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this post was submitted on 07 May 2024
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The amount of people/men who don't get it is astonishing. Art isn't just something you can put on a wall. This entire thing with excluding men is an art installation, supposed to generate emotions and a discussion about exclusion and gender disparity. And seeing how many men around the world are frothing at the mouth over an installation at a small museum at the end of the world it is an extremely powerful piece of art. I applaud the museum for this.
There are still places that are men only. Women can't join the freemasons for example, but you don't see this sort of extremely angry reaction to that.
And I agree, this art piece is doing exactly what it was supposed to.
Huh. Let women into the Freemasons, I guess?
That'd be ideal, but I don't really see that happening tbh. There's a women's version of the freemasons, but it's not nearly as popular or active as far as I can tell.
Do you have any more examples other than the freemasons? I had assumed we were done with needless segregation (excluding bathrooms and such).
The only thing that makes sense in my mind is that male dominated spaces have non-explicit social barriers in place that are being approximated by the explicit barrier the museum has set up.
In the UK there's golf clubs that have pretty toxic atmospheres and dress codes but aren't legally allowed to bar women.
Sorry if this is super ignorant, I'm acknowledging the problem I just want to understand it better
I'm from the US, but here it's mostly fraternal lodges that still ban women, and certain religious groups(which I don't think those technically count due to separation of church and state). But the Order of Oddfellows, Fraternal Order of Eagles, Freemasons, and the Botherhood of St Andrew don't initiate women. Im sure theres more but i dont know about them.
Granted those have some religious influence, but aren't churches directly as far as I understand. Also the skull and bones, but they're very secretive and that could have changed and no one would be the wiser.
I'm not sure about other countries laws, but in the US private institutions are more or less allowed to segregate by gender, but often there's backlash and they lose money so most won't go there. That's why it's mostly these secretive fraternal orders that still do it.
Thank you! I wasn't expecting such a long and well written response 😁
Np! Always happy to have a civil discussion! and thank you for asking your question in good faith
The end of the world is a fair description, but small is not. It is the largest privately funded museum in the Southern Hemisphere and has 6000m² (64583 ft²) of gallery space.
You're right, but to play devil's advocate; that's extremely unintuitive and took me to my 20s to figure out
Well, the mean age here seems to be over 30, so I'd expect a tad more maturity.
"Maturity", defined as being willing to accept explicit sex discrimination, so long as said discrimination penalizes men (as men are an acceptable target for discrimination)?
If that's still the hill you wanna die on, please.
"I was an asshole as a work of art, not because I am an asshole"
You're applauding a troll for trolling successfully?
I appreciate some good trolling that doesn't actually harm anyone. And in this case it also certainly generated discussion, so I'd say it's more than trolling anyway.
Intent matters. If all you just want is to piss off people, that's trolling. I don't see this being the point here.
That is the artist's explicitly intended point.
No, it is really not. There's an intent behind the outrage.
“The men are experiencing Ladies Lounge, their experience of rejection is the artwork,” she said.
The purpose is for men to suffer and be upset. That's what this of art is, really - human suffering for its own sake. It's quintessential trolling, which the artist has been quite open about.
Yeah, well my late father was a painter, and his number one rule was that he didn't paint stuff to be hidden away. One of his last wishes was to make sure people see his artworks.
It's up to the people that view his works as to their thoughts and opinions.