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[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 1 points 1 year ago (11 children)

But rather than a new French Revolution, which just sets things up for this to happen all over again, how about a new Bolshevik Revolution that aims not just to try to do capitalism more fairly, but reorganizes society in such a way as to eliminate poverty and all need in what is already a post-scarcity human epoch.

Basically, because socialism fundamentally requires centralized control, and I don't trust centralized control. I fully expect corruption and greed to exist, and to gravitate toward power.

I don't trust society not to deliberately appoint a tyrannical megalomaniac: I've seen them do it entirely too often.

[–] yuritopia@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago (6 children)

You say "centralized control" but that doesn't really mean anything. After all, the capitalist class already have centralized their power, and their class interests mean they structure every feature of both business and government to keep it that way. Socialism, as defined by a dictatorship of the proletariat, upends this class dynamic entirely. So no, socialism does not "require centralized control" just because a classless society would utilize central planning efficiency to meet societal goals. This is fundamentally, scientifically different from the current system of bourgeoisie control.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

After all, the capitalist class already have centralized their power

Please elaborate. I am not sure what you mean when you say that the capitalist class has centralized their power.

[–] CindyTheSkull@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're the one who said:

socialism fundamentally requires centralized control, and I don't trust centralized control.

What did you mean when you said that? There is no way in which socialism "requires" anything like this that capitalism also doesn't require in terms of controlling the population. At least in socialism the population has control over the population rather than a small elite class (the bourgeoisie aka capitalist class aka owning class) as in capitalism. If you are talking about a planned economy, then again, capitalism does this too and you need look no further than fucking amazon as an example. The economy is just planned around gaining more capital for a small class instead of actually serving the needs of people as in socialism.

Finally,

I don't trust society not to deliberately appoint a tyrannical megalomaniac: I've seen them do it entirely too often.

No, you haven't. You've been told that happened as a means of propaganda to make sure you and everyone like you (people not part of the owning class) think exactly what you do now think "ooooooh noes scary socialism always turns ebil dictatortotship!" Show us what socialist societies (AES) "appointed a tyrannical megalomaniac" and we'll show you a load a bullshit that has been force-fed to the people of a capitalist society ruled by the real tyrannical megalomaniacs: the capitalist class.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, you haven't

I didn't say socialism appoints them. I said society. Socialism is not a prophylaxis against society fucking itself over by declaring itself subject to a tyrant.

[–] robinn_IV@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

With socialism comes the first mass state and genuine rule by the majority. You can't just generalize "society" as having a tendency of "fucking itself over" when this "society" is ruled by completely different classes depending on the level of development of the productive forces.

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