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[-] bort@feddit.de 115 points 5 months ago

fun fact: this is called "Reductio ad absurdum" and it's a valid strategy in debate/rethoric.

It works great when countering stupid shit that sounds logical but really isn't.

[-] SnokenKeekaGuard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 94 points 5 months ago

Nice try, thats a harry potter spell. You're not gonna fool me

[-] whostosay@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago

Homie really thought he was gonna slip it by ye

[-] SuperSaiyanSwag@lemmy.zip 17 points 5 months ago

If you like debates, but don’t like stupid takes then you just like to stay sane

[-] fidodo@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

You can also refute it by inverting the logic. If you like milk chocolate but don't like eating a bowl full of sugar, you like chocolate more than sugar. Curious what the name for that would be.

[-] Shapillon@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

Imho you inverted the arguments but not the logic. You're still using the same blend of false dichotomy and ig slippery slope.

So it would still be the same reductio ad absurdum

[-] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 13 points 5 months ago

Also perfectly valid in maths, and widely used

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago

Isn't it just a type of straw man argument?

[-] Klear@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago

Only if you drink chocolate with a straw.

[-] jcg@halubilo.social 7 points 5 months ago

I believe they're talking about the responses, not the original post.

[-] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee -1 points 5 months ago

can i get a citation (since we're debate lording) on what constitutes a "valid" argument and how this fits into that category?

[-] bort@feddit.de 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Classical philosophy used it often,

The earlier dialogues of Plato (424–348 BCE), relating the discourses of Socrates, raised the use of reductio arguments to a formal dialectical method (elenchus), also called the Socratic method.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

If you want a more modern source, here is a lecture on the topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iepg5Q4rBAQ&list=PLPnZfvKID1Sje5jWxt-4CSZD7bUI4gSPS&index=53

I can recommend the entire lecture. It's both entertaining and valuable.

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