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[-] echo64@lemmy.world 110 points 11 months ago

1, it's aspartame

2, Mice aren't humans, and routinely, things that happen in mice do not happen in humans. It is not at all indicative of anything and can really only be used as a hint better than nothing for looking into similar effects in humans.

You don't need to change your diet, and you certainly don't need to replace it with sugar.

[-] elbarto777@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

Comment paid for Big Aspartame.

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago
[-] elbarto777@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

I see the Nutrasweet Lobbyists Association is here too!

[-] Psychodelic@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

How much is Big Sugar paying you?

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[-] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Big aspertame made that account 6 months ago, posted 1300 unrelated comments, just for this one moment...

[-] elbarto777@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago
[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 points 11 months ago

Considering the patent was held by Monsanto, and all the decades of concerns have been raised by independent researchers but shut down by lobbying...

Well, I mean, who can you trust to not hide that they're making poison if not Monsanto?

[-] Holymoly@lemmynsfw.com 8 points 11 months ago

Removing all forms of added sugar would probably make everyone feel better. Even minimizing natural sugar intake.

Sugar is terrible, there’s no doubt about it. Artificial or otherwise.

[-] echo64@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

There's no research that indicates the currently used artificial sweeteners are bad for you.

[-] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Theres mixed analysis over the decades, actually, and different groups have different conclusions.

https://www.everydayhealth.com/diet-nutrition/sweet-n-low-dangers-still-exist/

Overall, id say limiting added sugars (natural or artificial) is rpobably better for your health long term

[-] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Artificial sugars and sweeteners are, by and large, very different things. Aspartame isn't a sugar of any sort.

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[-] echo64@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

I want to be super clear if anyone finds this and thinks maybe...

No, there is no evidence of artificial sweeteners causing harm. There is no conspiracy, and after many many studies over decades, nothing has been found. If there had been, then the artificial sweeteners would have been banned like the ones you've never heard of because we all banned them for causing problems.

If you drink regular soda today, you should absolutely look at replacing that with a diet varient without sugar. From everything we have learned over decades, it's absolutely safe.

[-] ook_the_librarian@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

A few people are replying with links (of various relevance) but you are just saying "no" and claiming you're being "super clear". Some of the replies are directly contraindications of the claim:

If you drink regular soda today, you should absolutely look at replacing that with a diet varient without sugar.

Your counterpoint is saying they are "absolutely safe". I don't know whether you are right or wrong. It's not anywhere near my field, but I can say I don't find your rhetoric convincing.

Edit: I fucked up and pasted the wrong quote. I changed the quote to the one I meant.

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[-] angrystego@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Where are the hydrohomies?

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[-] sock@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

there's little research to show sugar dangers to be more than correlation

fat people eat a lot of sugar. fat people also eat a lot. eating a lot is how you get fat, drinking calories just happens to be a fast track to getting fat. diet soda happens to be physiologically like drinking water. fat people drink diet instead of sugar coke thats already 200-1000 calories of their day GONE with very very minimal change.

then those fat people supplement the lost sugars with more food and they gain weight. then you get studies showing GUYS DIET SODA CAUSES WEIGHT GAIN (in fat people)

but no its not the sugar its not the macros its YOU eating too much and you can eat less to lose weight that's just simple science. body types, "nuance", "bad metabolism". none of that shits real it all stems from shitty dietary choices and lack of muscle.

all of this to say unless theres medical issues or medical intervention your weight and body type is 100% in your control should you choose to take control

[-] cocobean@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago

How about all the research that shows sugar is addictive AF

[-] Apollo@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago

Of course sugar is addictive as fuck - you would literally die without it.

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[-] Orbituary@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Not to mention that the gene pool of these lab mice is super small. Source: my brother is a PhD biochemist and lectured me often on this shit when I said, "hey, look at this study!"

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[-] AkaBobHoward@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

I am a relatively recent transplant from the red place, I can tell I ain't in Kansas anymore, actual good information being up voted so cool.

Aspartame is, because of all the claims against it, the single most studied food substance known, and it seems to somehow keep coming okay. There are a lot of studies with really bad methods that were a smear job attempt but science doing what it does they were labeled for what they are and disregarded. Is it possible to be allergic and a reaction to be anxiety sure, but that is not on the food.

[-] capt_wolf@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Guarantee the study also states that you have to consume an ungodly amount of it too...

News reports grab on to stuff like this all the time. Like what they did with safrole.

[-] smooth_tea@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

The article actually states how much. 15% of the daily recommended amount.

[-] Silverseren@kbin.social 6 points 11 months ago

There's a daily recommended amount for mice? Or was that 15% of the recommended amount for humans, which would be massive for mice?

[-] smooth_tea@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

It's the equivalent of the human daily dose. So adjusted for body weight. Loosely translated, it would be 15% of the daily recommended dose for mice.

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[-] capt_wolf@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

I stand corrected! That's a ridiculously small amount!

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