291
submitted 10 months ago by pelespirit@sh.itjust.works to c/news@lemmy.world
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[-] plantsmakemehappy@lemmy.world 278 points 10 months ago

The sweetener is aspartame

[-] nxdefiant@startrek.website 81 points 10 months ago

it's always aspartame

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] echo64@lemmy.world 110 points 10 months ago

1, it's aspartame

2, Mice aren't humans, and routinely, things that happen in mice do not happen in humans. It is not at all indicative of anything and can really only be used as a hint better than nothing for looking into similar effects in humans.

You don't need to change your diet, and you certainly don't need to replace it with sugar.

[-] LetterboxPancake@sh.itjust.works 74 points 10 months ago

*But drinking a glass of water from time to time won't kill you either.

[-] elbarto777@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

Comment paid for Big Aspartame.

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago
load more comments (1 replies)
[-] Psychodelic@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

How much is Big Sugar paying you?

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Big aspertame made that account 6 months ago, posted 1300 unrelated comments, just for this one moment...

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[-] Holymoly@lemmynsfw.com 8 points 10 months ago

Removing all forms of added sugar would probably make everyone feel better. Even minimizing natural sugar intake.

Sugar is terrible, there’s no doubt about it. Artificial or otherwise.

[-] echo64@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

There's no research that indicates the currently used artificial sweeteners are bad for you.

[-] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Theres mixed analysis over the decades, actually, and different groups have different conclusions.

https://www.everydayhealth.com/diet-nutrition/sweet-n-low-dangers-still-exist/

Overall, id say limiting added sugars (natural or artificial) is rpobably better for your health long term

[-] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Artificial sugars and sweeteners are, by and large, very different things. Aspartame isn't a sugar of any sort.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (12 replies)
load more comments (7 replies)
load more comments (21 replies)
[-] Orbituary@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Not to mention that the gene pool of these lab mice is super small. Source: my brother is a PhD biochemist and lectured me often on this shit when I said, "hey, look at this study!"

load more comments (2 replies)
[-] AkaBobHoward@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

I am a relatively recent transplant from the red place, I can tell I ain't in Kansas anymore, actual good information being up voted so cool.

Aspartame is, because of all the claims against it, the single most studied food substance known, and it seems to somehow keep coming okay. There are a lot of studies with really bad methods that were a smear job attempt but science doing what it does they were labeled for what they are and disregarded. Is it possible to be allergic and a reaction to be anxiety sure, but that is not on the food.

[-] capt_wolf@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Guarantee the study also states that you have to consume an ungodly amount of it too...

News reports grab on to stuff like this all the time. Like what they did with safrole.

[-] smooth_tea@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

The article actually states how much. 15% of the daily recommended amount.

[-] Silverseren@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago

There's a daily recommended amount for mice? Or was that 15% of the recommended amount for humans, which would be massive for mice?

load more comments (6 replies)
load more comments (4 replies)
[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 45 points 10 months ago

Oh, good! I thought it was the rapidly declining state of the world.

[-] Kethal@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

The control was plain water. That seems like the sort of methodological flaw that would preclude a study from publication in a journal like PNAS.

[-] Silverseren@kbin.social 24 points 10 months ago

It's so bizarre that you wouldn't have other sweeteners in other experimental groups and, especially, an experimental group that was actual sugar.

load more comments (2 replies)
[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Sugar shills and don't touch my diet coke ppl in this thread doing Spidermanpointing.jpg

Stevia crew represent.

load more comments (3 replies)
[-] YaDong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 10 months ago

So my problems are because my mom is addicted to diet coke? It's all adding up!

load more comments (2 replies)
[-] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

Wow, lots of astroturfed opinions defending aspartame.

[-] Sporky@lemmynsfw.com 14 points 10 months ago

It's not astroturfing it's people sick of these studies where they pump ungodly amounts of aspartame into mice until they get a reaction. Aspartame doesn't do anything at the levels humans consume it, it's one of the most studied compounds in food.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 7 points 10 months ago

It still tastes shit though.

Worse are the drinks that took half the sugar out, but pumped sweeteners in as well, so you still get fat and now it tastes crap too.

[-] JustZ@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

It said it was like 15% of human recommended intake.

load more comments (9 replies)
load more comments (6 replies)
load more comments (11 replies)
[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

In my research to find a substitute for mom's sugar intake, Stevia came down to being the safest and most reliable, albeit not the best flavor substitute, necessarily.

And avoid Erythritol above all else.

[-] nicetriangle@kbin.social 7 points 10 months ago

Erythritol is tolerated by people at pretty varying rates. Some people have no issues, others have stomach problems. It doesn’t really bother me much.

I personally like allulose the best tho, but it’s not easy to get in the EU yet.

load more comments (4 replies)
[-] someguy3@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 months ago

When a sample of mice were given free access to water dosed with aspartame equivalent to 15 percent of the FDA's recommended maximum daily amount for humans, they generally displayed more anxious behavior in specially designed mood tests.

What's truly surprising is the effects could be seen in the animals' offspring, for up to two generations.

We know that when it's consumed, aspartame splits into aspartic acid, phenylalanine, and methanol, which can all affect the central nervous system. There have already been question marks over potentially adverse reactions to the sweetener in some people.

[-] Silverseren@kbin.social 9 points 10 months ago

We know that when it’s consumed, aspartame splits into aspartic acid, phenylalanine, and methanol, which can all affect the central nervous system.

This is precisely why this all sounds like BS and such studies have frequently been called out for their poor methodologies. Aspartic acid and phenylalanine are crucial amino acids that we consume in a bunch of foods at much higher concentrations. And the methanol produced in its breakdown is extremely minimal.

Hence why the vast amount of pseudoscience claims about aspartame have been debunked one after the other.

load more comments (10 replies)
load more comments (9 replies)
[-] Silverseren@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago

Ah, another one of the "we found something in mice and that totally means it happens in humans" pseudoscience studies. Though we can probably blame the press for making such claims that the studies do not, unless this is one of those studies made by the known pseudoscience "scientists" like Seneff.

[-] OpenStars@kbin.social 7 points 10 months ago

The title used by the reporter:

A Popular Sweetener Was Linked to Increased Anxiety in Generations of Mice

The title of the original publication:

Transgenerational transmission of aspartame-induced anxiety and changes in glutamate-GABA signaling and gene expression

I did not read the latter so I cannot vouch for it, but the former is most definitely click bait, through and through, from title to content. I mean, here we are talking about it and sharing the link so... they accomplished their purpose, and why should they care what happens afterwards?

[-] roguetrick@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago

So they're saying that it's epigenetically transmitted? That's interesting. What mechanism are they suggesting?

load more comments (2 replies)
[-] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Well, shit.

[-] spider@lemmy.nz 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Donald Rumsfeld and the Strange History of Aspartame

Edit: I think he came back from the dead to downvote this.

load more comments
view more: next ›
this post was submitted on 25 Dec 2023
291 points (89.6% liked)

News

23260 readers
3751 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.


Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.


If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.


The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS