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How is that racist? Native americans are a big part of the state's history
It's a depiction (celebratory?) of them being purposely driven away from the land. The Native American is fleeing.
Wow. I saw it as the two people sharing the land. I did not see it as fleeing. Still a terrible flag, and even more so if it can be interpreted so differently.
Honestly? Even if it was unequivocally that it would still be a problem. The whitewashing of using violence to drive people from their homes and then pretending that they came to an agreement to share the land is just gross.
What if i see the indian circiling in for the kill?
Are we still using that word or did we figure that part out already?
i went to elementry school on a reservation, indian reservation was the parlance of the time. Kinda stuck with me.
Maybe time to leave that in your past. Around these parts that's not a word folks are fond of.
I don't know where "around these parts" is for you but I've heard plenty of people refer to themselves as indian or American Indian instead of Native American in my lifetime. Really many people would prefer you use their actual tribe name over either one, but it's most often white people getting bent out of shape over using "indian" in my experience.
These parts are the highest indigenous population per capita in Canada and the home of the Metis nation. Maybe we're just less shitty than some other places but that's a nice thing to learn!
Or actual Indians, from India.
Many Native American people prefer the term "American Indians", to be fair. There is a bit of a split on which one is preferrable depending on who you ask. It varies from tribe to tribe, region to region, and with age differences.
Most Native people would just prefer to be called by their tribal affiliation over either of the terms, but accept them as our collective terms for them. Many don't care which one you use because it's wrong either way, really.
This is just from my experience talking with some people from different tribes in my area, and from seeing the question posted on forums before.
That's true. But I was thinking the motif might be from before all that.
There really isn't any "before all that" though. Especially that far west. Along the east coast there might have been a generation of "we just want to escape weligious pewsecution and gwow cown uwu 👉👈🥺" but the first permanent settlement in Minnesota was in 1852, 7 years after the phrase "manifest destiny" was coined. Minnesota was established during the era where the prevailing belief of white Americans was that God commanded them to take all of America for themselves and anyone who tried to stop them was to be destroyed.
Oh, shit. I don't have that detailed knowledge of US history. 1852. That's almost 100 years after its founding, right? I had no clue it took that long to spread west.
Just two friends hanging out with their spear and their rifle respectively at hand
The rifle is just chilling. The dude's plowing.
Well that, unfortunately i guess is also a part of their history
Yes, but a flag is not the place to tell history. It usually depicts your ideals.
If Germany had f.ex. a shattered David's Star on their flag, that would accurately depict history. But it would read as antagonism and a current stance on things. As if it was their goal to destroy Jewish people.
It has to do with the setting. It's not just a Native American riding away on horse back, but the fact that the settler is watching him with his rifle near by. It is like he is driving him away and claiming the land for his own.
You're overinterpreting things. And despite that, it's exactly what happened. Historical accuracy is not racism.
Historical accuracy is not racism. Choosing to identify yourself based on the racist actions in your history is.
To drive it to the extreme, it would be like saying that Germany depicting Jews being gassed on their new flag isn't racist, just historically accurate.