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I believe most of us have accepted that we have already passed all the tipping points and at this point We're fighting for damage control
Failing at damage control, I would say.
If we instinctually felt how dire this is, akin to the imminent danger of, like, a lion circling our huts, maybe we would rise up and do something.
But we didn't evolve to feel a true sense of urgency about abstract dangers that will happen in 30-100 years.
We know we are fucked beyond belief. We know billions will die. We know 90%+ of the planet's species will go extinct. We know we will live to see a barren wasteland of populated by suffering. Intellectually we know the horrors. Yet it feels more urgent to go to work and pay the bills and do our day to day things.
Imagine if we felt the urgency to a point where we walked out of our jobs and did what we needed to do to force the change. Force companies to shut down. Ground all airplanes and dismantle cargo ships. Wrest control from the rich. Shut down coal plants. Etc.
And then there's the greedy bastards... Who would rather do anything to make money now than deal with anything tomorrow or anything that might hurt all of us.
As long as conservatives are alive, there will be no damage control either.
This is so much large than the conservatives. It's even larger than just the US.
Yes, it is. And the solutions are multi-tiered. And the tiers of solutions that would be reachable are defended against by conservatives who have been brainwashed for generations by corporate interests.
Yes, it's bigger than conservatives in just the U.S. too. Conservatives globally are the security layer that prevent every major solution from being attainable. To defeat the major pollutors and to legislate change globally, we must first defeat the corporations' brainwashed henchmen, who are otherwise known as conservatives.
Sorry. Only now did I read your username
It would be great if you could critique his comment by some other metric.
My point is, that I don't believe there is a reason for serious discussion with someone who is so single tracked that they'd call themselves that
It is larger than the US but conservatives fighting climate change measures is a global problem
The left is not exactly better or more effective, on a global scale. This is the real issue. sides are also really mostly relative. The right here (Scandinavian country) would be considered somewhere between socialist and communist in the us. Its not about sides. It's about the lack of actions
That's what I was thinking. Once the permafrost thaw becomes self perpetuating, there's no going back.
And seeing as the Antarctic and Arctic are warming about 4x as fast as the rest of the world, I'd say we're pretty close now.
I feel it basically started in the 20teens and is underway now.
According to this it started in the 60's ... in Russia at least.
After the tipping points, there is no damage control.
And pushing the damage control to other people.