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the traditional way of life has been snuffed out by the forces of capitalism. there's no point trying to live a normal life anymore, we have to forge a new path
Let me stop you for a second.
In North America single family houses became the norm after the second world war, that means you might still have living relatives who weren't raised in what you think is the "traditional way of life".
It's more traditional for North Americans to live in multi generational housing or housing provided by their employer than it is to own their own house and expect to only be two living in it once their kids leave.
Everyone getting their own single family homeis unsustainable and 70% home ownership is an historical anomaly that pretty much only concerned WASPs. It's the American dream, not the American tradition.
That's very true. Although it's also true that forcing people into cramped quarters with one another for long periods exacerbates interpersonal issues, and people need the ability to walk away from one another and decompress.
Whether that's as simple as having their own room where they can close the door, or having a "third place" where they can go without needing to spend money to decompress and not have to be around others, you can't just endlessly force people to live together, especially when it keeps leading to domestic violence outcomes.
I agree, for most of history humans lived in shared, community housing, and that's not a bad thing, however I do think it's bad to promote the idea that we all need to be crammed into incredibly tiny spaces with multiple people living with them.
It would be different if housing was equitable and we didn't have billionaires using up massive amounts of housing literally for only themselves while the rest are stuck in tiny boxes that they can barely fit inside. Housing size needs to be an equitable issue, because housing size and cramped quarters is a mental and physical health issue.
I dislike this take. Before the Baby Boom, you lived with, moved around with, interacted with...well...everyone. Being familiar with others reduces stress, fear, xenophobia, etc. A lot of the problems we now face are due to people who have no empathy or concern for others and instead live within their own bubble.
Millions of LGBT youth abused by their birth families would wildly fucking disagree.
Before the baby boom? You mean segregated USA?? Wtf are you smoking?
I'm gay, but ok, tell me about my lived experiences or something. And you seem angry for some reason, so I'm gonna go ahead and disengage.
Way ahead of you.
The traditional way of life was multi-generational homes. If your goal is to live with as few people as possible, the traditional way of life is not for you. Why are you complaining about having the choice to live in homes with many, many fewer people than was traditionally required?
Lol, what? The American tradition has always, in the last century, been to move out as an adult and work your way up into a house and raise a family. On your own. What hell are you calling traditional? Farmer families from the 1800s?
*The American white and middle-class tradition.
Always, in the last century… those two statements contradict each other. Never mind that it wasn’t that common outside of the middle class, even during the height of American wages.
This is completely false and there is 0 data to back it up. There were 3 small blips of young people moving out regularly and otherwise the norm has been not to do that.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/3790690
He's probably from Europe where historically a wealthy family of multi generations all lived in one house. Because people wanted to be near their family (cringe)
If I heard "traditional lifestyle" out of context and I had to assume the rest, I'd be thinking about, yeah, living with your family unless married. Most of the people in the world live like this still.
Big "bUt ThErE aRe ChIlDrEn StArViNg In AfRiCa" energy. How dare someone complain when things could be worse, right? What an ungrateful dick for wanting better just because the previous generation had that, huh?