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[-] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

I wonder how they would handle this in space, or on other planets? If you're in a ship, there is no sunrise or sunset, and you aren't going to have a 24 hour cycle of sunrise and sunset on the moon, Mars, Venus, or some alien planet orbiting a distant star.

I guess the simplest answer is to pick a location that matches whatever time they are running on (since people presumably still operate on a 24 hour clock) and to align the timing to match that. If the important thing is the observance of the ritual rather than the celestial events, then this works I guess.

On the other hand, if you're in space on a ship or station, sunrise and sunset could be simulated by simply reorienting the thing so that the sun is hitting one side or another. Does orbiting earth or another planet mean that sunrise and sunset happen in rapid succession as you pass in and out of the planet's shadow?

And on an alien planet with our sun as a star in the night sky, do you time it based on the star that planet is orbiting or the position relative to our sun? And then there's the question of what the date even is, since you not only have a different local orbit and seasons, but you might not even be moving through time at the same rate, and relativity makes the concept of "now" kind of tricky when spread across interstellar distances.

[-] Skua@kbin.social 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

This has an actual answer! The booklet A Guideline of Performing Ibadah at the International Space Station (ISS) says you use the time of wherever you launched from

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

But what direction do you face when doing daily prayers if you're on Mars?

[-] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 10 months ago
[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

So if, by their perspective, Earth is in the sky above them, they pray on their backs and if Earth is on the other side of the planet, they pray on their stomachs?

[-] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 10 months ago

No, if you were praying in the direction of the moon for example, you'd be praying towards it's 2 dimensional projection onto the earth's surface. You'd determine it's location by what direction you turn to face it. The angle your head is pointing up (inclination) doesn't matter, just the angle your feet are pointing at.

If the moon has already set and is below the horizon, you would just find the shortest distance to that projection. If it has recently set, you would face where it was last seen. If it is close to rising, you would face where you predict it to rise.

On Mars you'd simply do the same, probably by using a phone/computer, this is what Muslims do nowadays. There are apps that show prayer times and the direction to face to see the Kaaba. An app like stellarium can show you the location of stellar objects.

If you somehow did not know where the Earth's general location was, you'd just pray in whichever direction you want. There's nothing wrong with that. Before the compass, Muslims used the sun to determine the angle to face towards. However, on an overcast day, a best guess would just be made.

On planes, Muslims just pray in whichever direction is convenient. If the plane is flying near Mecca, the direction would have changed by the time you finished praying either way.

The only requirement is that an effort be made, just the intention to face the Kaaba is enough.

[-] Jilanico@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

The earth isn't flat, but Muslims "face" Mecca when praying from anywhere around the world. Same concept.

It's also worth noting that most ancient people knew the earth was round, including early Muslims.

[-] Gabu@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

Let's just hope religion is fully dead before we ever have to worry about this, shall we?

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