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So, I have a question. From the Daily Beast article:
Why are we taking the word of the cops for what happened? We know the right-wingers don't distinguish between cross-dressers and pedophiles. We know that some of them find great satisfaction in abusing, torturing and even killing those that they consider "other". And we know that cops cover for other cops.
Yes, it's entirely possible and plausible that this guy killed himself, but why are we just blindly accepting the cops' version of events here?
This is the NY Post. It's a Murdoch-owned, rage-bait rag. It's going to be slanted, if not completely exaggerated.
I would hope there is dashcam footage to corroborate their report.
Good point, what kind of wellness check involves a roadside stop?
It seems quite possible that the police pulled him over to harass him.
What incentive would the police have to murder a guy? What do you think is more likely, that the cops decided to murder some guy for cross dressing, or that this dude is so embarrassed that he got outed as a giga pervert who stalked local women and killed himself because everyone now knows
What a dumb comment. There is no evidence the police shot this guy, and all the evidence to suggest that he killed himself.
With the track record of the police, I'd say it's a 50/50.
it's a small Alabama town, might wanna rethink those odds
terminally online take
Brain dead take. Is your boyfriend a cop or something?
You know how you can look at people who say the government is trying to kill them and rightfully laugh at them as crazy? That's how I feel about people who think a cop has a 50/50 chance of killing you in America
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/
not sure what point you are trying to prove. A great majority of those people killed were armed. 8000 people is really not that much over an almost 10 year time span and all the justified shootings. You have 50x higher chance of dying in a car accident than dying by the hands of the police. That number because 300-500x if you are unarmed. The USA population is over 300m, this is a speck in the bigger picture.
No way to prevent this, says only nation where this regularly occurs lol.
The best way to not got shot by the police is don't brandish a weapon and don't try to escape arrest. If you don't do either of those things, you have a < 0.000001% chance of getting shot. Absolutely microscopic amounts relative to the total population.
What about relative to other countries?
why is that relevant? Two things can be true at once:
How is it not relevant? The USA is a country in the world. Why can't it be compared to other countries in the world lol?
You should read the thread you are commenting on and what I was replying to.
I have. 50/50 is an exaggeration, but like I said, let's compare the rates to other developed countries, shall we? Most of the work is done for us.
Looks like you live in a shit hole where cops regularly get away with murdering innocent civilians!
Dude it's is human life your are talking about. Every death that could've be prevented, is a death to much. 8000 dead People is a lot of death. Especally if you compare it to countries like Germany, GB or Sweden, where the number of fataly shot people isn't even in the hundreds in the same time frame.
In Germany about 60 people are shot per year by police, so that is well into the hundreds for the same time frame. In the united states, if you are not carrying a weapon, you have less than a 0.00001% chance of being shot by police. Obviously it's better if no one got shot but let's not overexaggerate the risk, like has been happening in this thread and is what I'm responding to.
According to whom? The officially reported figure lies between 5 & 15 fatal shots fired by police officers per year, with 15 being a sharp outlier.
The thread you are responding to talks about the track record of US police officer not the all around risks of being alive. So let's look at the track record of US police officer. A US police officer is 200x more likely to shoot somebody, then his German counter part (adjusted for population). How high would you put that number, before it is worth discussing to you? How many people have to die, that you are willing to discuss this issue?
Turn it around: He knew the police in his small town, do you think he expected them to make this roadside stop to help a recently outed queer person that did questionable things like fantasizing about killing a woman that everyone in town knows and becoming her by transitioning or uploading memes in a similar context with pictures belonging to real people to a porn website? I mean he knew them personally, I guess he knew their standing on queer, he might have felt threatened for a reason. I am not saying they shot him, just that he might have expected them to be everything but helpful.
Every cop had body/ dash cams, I doubt there's anything conspiratorial in the mix.
Oh, sure. Nothing ever happens like that with cops. They never turn their cameras off or lie.
That doesn't really count for anything unless people other than cops look at the footage. Not that I'm saying it should be made publicly available but somebody independent should see it.
If it turns out there's no body cam footage that's a problem too but again unless someone outside the police force can see that there's no body cam footage the lack of footage isn't ever going to be made public knowledge.
The police have body cam footage to make sure they're doing their actual jobs and not something else, for the bloody useless if they turn them off or no one ever reviews the footage. They are not primarily there for the police's benefit they're there for ours.
in most states civilians can request body camera footage. if you believe there to be misdoings then request it and have the journalistic scoop of ages "Cop kills transgender woman after claimed suicide"