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States have recognised to have rights to do violence under international law under various circumstances.
They are saying that Israel is a legitimate state and that it has the right to do violence in defence of that state.
The opposite position to this is it is instead a "zionist entity", not legitimate, and therefore does not have that right and is just a violent terrorist entity occupying the rightful Palestinian land.
This seems like a cart and horse issue though, because those rights are not granted or revoked by any supervening authority; they're essentially fictitious. The same honestly goes for notions of legitimacy.
When someone says I have the right to remain silent, that means that any interrogation coerced out of me in contravention of that right will be ruled inadmissible by a supervening authority (the judge). There's no judge to appeal to in these cases; no stick to rap Israel with when in acts beyond it's "rights". So is it just saying Israel can do what it wants and I need to shut up?
Yes. They are inventions of words. And they only matter to the people who care about words.
But pretending to care about words matters a great deal to liberals, their hypocrisy and disregard for the rules based order they advocate for being exposed is a huge risk. The observance of these words is a part of the control structure that reduces the risk of revolution, the population of the global north BELIEVING that we observe and adhere and care about these rules is a large part of what makes the imperial core significantly less susceptible to revolution than the periphery where people are not so naive about this.
It's not the entire picture, but it's a piece of it and one that matters a great deal.
It's a legitimate state in that it has an army and land and you can't really illegitimately have those things it's a matter of possession
they are carrying out an ongoing genocide so they are a legitimate state that has apartheid laws that is actively seeking to destroy an ethnic group. Germany and South Africa didn't need to be illegitimate states for that to be a breach of international law and immoral