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Centre Party (media.piefed.zip)
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[–] bufalo1973@piefed.social 196 points 2 days ago (5 children)

"I'm neither right not left" = far-right. Always.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

also notice the confusing "centre party" means they are "both sides", its to trick would be voters into voting for them who dont care enough to read past thier party name.

[–] inari@piefed.zip 68 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Yep, it's called Fish Hook Theory:

[–] dreamkeeper@lemmy.world 7 points 14 hours ago

Nah it's not that complicated. Nazis are just lying manipulative fucks. That's their main thing.

[–] Gladaed@feddit.org 86 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Note that there is no such theory outside of Internet slang. There is no merit in it. Just as horseshoe theory is without merit. There are complex, underlying causes for it making so much sense, but do not be baited by comfort.

[–] cowfodder@lemmy.zip 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The only part of horseshoe theory that tracks is that if you go far enough left you get your guns back.

[–] Gladaed@feddit.org 29 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The part that tracks is that authoritarians exist orthogonal to left/right.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And that those unwilling to compromise on anything with anyone tend to get authoritarians

[–] inari@piefed.zip 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Funny, it's usually the centrists who partner with and allow authoritarians into power

[–] mrbutterscotch@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In a german state election the BSW, a left wing splinter party, just just gave their support to the afd, an extreme right-wing party, getting fascists in to power within germany for the first time since WW2.

[–] kettuli@lemmy.world 4 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Oh, the party of the Kreml-bankrolled ”leftist” backed up the far-right party. Oh my.

[–] mrbutterscotch@feddit.org 2 points 20 hours ago

The point being they splintered from a true leftist party and were not from the centre.

[–] Gladaed@feddit.org 2 points 22 hours ago

Moving the goal post. They arose from the SED. They are of leftist origin.

[–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

"authoritarianism" is a concept made up by an anti-semetic CIA stooge in order to be able to equivocate between Nazis and communists. Its a completely meaningless term where every definition is either so broad that it describes all states (and almost just all social structures organised for any purpose) or so narrow it is just a synonym for whatever designated enemy you are being told is evil. It's about as cogent as "badguyism".

[–] martti@suppo.fi 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Tankie tears is music for my ears

[–] LongLive@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

links please, this is certainly unfamiliar

[–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago

Sure, what would you like links for? The stuff about Hannah Arendt or the critique of the theory of "authoritarianism"? The first I can provide, but let me know more specifically what so I dont overwhelm.

The latter I cannot since the link is just Hannah Arendt and successors works'. I'd encourage you to actually read it with a critical eye and notice how vague it is. It is a theory that only cares about whether a state does stuff, not why or how or for whom or with what support. This is completely silly. Every state is authoritarian, every hierarchical organisation is authoritarian. Its a word used to make you think negatively of a group - Like how enemy states do not have governments, they have regimes and their VPs aren't VPs they're "hand picked successors".

What I would really recommend is that you read "Blackshirts and Reds", "Inventing Reality" and Engels' "On Authority"

[–] Gladaed@feddit.org 0 points 1 day ago
[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

"Horseshoe theory" is the idea that I don't really care if I'm being killed by Hitler or Mao if I'm being killed.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago

Death by centrist is impersonal. It's your fault for not hustling hard enough for AC.

[–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

I personally care a lot more about what the state suppresses, how it does it, for whom it does it, against whom it does it, why it does it, with how much public support it does it and what the effect of it is, rather than some simplistic black-and-white view that merely cares about whether a state does things or not.

[–] bufalo1973@piefed.social 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The main difference between "neither left nor right" and far-right is hypocrisy.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)
[–] Tiger@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

Don’t forget idiocy.

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 22 points 1 day ago

Some green parties tried the same nonsense for a while, though I think they all admit to being left by now. The argument was that they'd work independently of party blocks with climate as the only issue.

Of course right wing politics are always an environmental disaster, but sometimes you would see unusual constellations in local politics.

[–] Airfried@piefed.social 6 points 1 day ago

Reminder that the Nazis literally called themselves National Socialists. They were the opposite of course and swiftly destroyed any trace of socialism once they were in power. That's what far-rights do.

[–] DekSomBoon@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wasn't fascism originally about being neither right nor left, but then it got sort of absorbed (or bought out) by the right to combat the left? Thats atleast how I've understood it, and of course there is so much more to fascism than that but thats just how i'd summarize it

[–] saimen@feddit.org 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I only know that the Nazis presented themselves as the "third way" between communism and capitalism.

[–] azimir@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

Just like the AfD in Germany today.