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A hacker was once a computer enthusiast, and the media made it into a name for criminals who break into other people's systems.

Decades ago, people started using baud when they meant BPS. Not many technical people back then, but it wasn't possible to correct the few who made the mistake. Even one top member of the CCC (Chaos Computer Club) said it's just “baud” now, no matter the real meaning.
(baud = symbols per second. A symbol can transport multiple bits, so a V.32 modem with 9600 bps worked at 2400 baud, 4 bits per symbol.)

GIF is an image format. Multiple frames stored in such a file can get played like a video. But today every video without sound gets called a GIF.

AI is an old term. But today most people say AI but only mean genAI.

It's even more absurd: There are gamers who demand computer games without AI. WTF?

AI was always part of computer games. Even the early computerized board games. I remember Half-Life fans loving the enemy AI. And I think one of the games in the Wolfenstein franchise had enemies that found cover when shot at. That's normal, old AI. Not genAI.

If AI is really lost, how do we discuss the thing that was once considered AI?

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[–] supernight52@lemmy.world 64 points 5 days ago (3 children)

"Lost?"

None of those terms have been lost. They've just come to have a wider definition than before. Language evolves over time as people are exposed to new ideas, words, or terms. As non-technical people begin using the terms, the meaning has an understood meaning to the public that most people use (e.g. AI/genAI), and a technical definition that is still understood by those it is relevant to. It just requires context.

Yes, words have meaning- but words also change over time as the public understanding shifts. Just like the word "literally." It used to mean something that is/should be interpreted exactly as it is said/written/shown. Now "literally" also means "figuratively," even within the dictionary.

So, no. It isn't lost, you just need to give context about what form of "AI" you are referring to.

[–] danekrae@lemmy.world 30 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Now “literally” also means “figuratively,” even within the dictionary.

That's literally true... Like in the literal sense... STOP WINKING AT ME!

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago (1 children)

"Literally" is used as a superlative. The "literally means figuratively" thing tends to refer exaggerations. "I'm literally dying" or "That's literally hotter than the sun".

It's a stand in for "really" which has a double meaning

  • Adverb form of "real"
  • Expressive form, to convey intensity

But yes, we never "lost" the word. Some online grammar pedants simply refused to accept it as a homonym.

[–] jaycifer@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Because both meanings are opposites, literally is a more specialized form of homonym called a contronym. Unlike a contronym such as clip where it’s to tell whether the speaker is talking about clipping things together or clipping stuff off of something based on their use in a sentence, literally and figuratively fit into any sentence the same way. In any case where the speaker’s words could be interpreted ambiguously to be literal or figurative and they add literally to clarify they can’t because someone could mistake their literal literally meaning to be a figurative one.

That means the literal use of literally is functionally lost, and for what? So folks have another way to exaggerate? I don’t care if a language evolves, but if it’s going to I think it should evolve in such a way that expressing certain ideas isn’t lost, especially if there isn’t anything real to be gained. I literally don’t understand why people are so gun-ho to defend using literally figuratively.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Because both meanings are opposites

"really" -> "extremely" is not the opposite of "really" -> "factually".

the literal use of literally is functionally lost

It isn't functionally lost any more than "really" has become functionally lost. It's contingent on context.

"It's really hot outside" and "He's really the murderer" have two very coherent and distinct interpretations.

In the same vein, "It's literally as hot as the sun out here" and "This Christian extremists are taking the Bible too literally" have distinct and non-interchangeable meanings.

But the term has (ahem) LITERALLY been used as an intensifier since 1769. You're far too late to the party on this debate. It's LITERALLY been settled for centuries.

[–] jaycifer@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

How can it literally be settled if people are still arguing about it? Unless you mean figuratively? Good to know people two and a half centuries ago could write poorly.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

How can it literally be settled if people are still arguing about it?

Same way people can wave a Confederate Flag 150 years after the war is over.

[–] jaycifer@lemmy.world -2 points 5 days ago

I didn't realize people had been shot for not using literally figuratively. Plus one could argue that people waving the Confederate flag 150 years later means the war wasn't fully finished, but I'm not here to debate politics.

I don't understand why you compare "literally" to "really". They're two different words that are used differently. I really don't have any problem with using really as an intensifier because it aligns just fine with using it to indicate fact. "It's really hot outside" -> "The heat outside is real." "He's really the murderer" -> "His being the murderer is real."

But using literally in your example adds absolutely nothing to the sentence. "It's literally as hot as the sun out here" and "It's as hot as the sun out here" convey the exact same meaning, except one has an extra word that degrades other uses of it. If your sentence could replace the word "literally" with the word "figuratively" and you would intend the same meaning, you should either use "figuratively" or nothing there at all. That way when the word literally is used there can be no doubt that you mean "in the literal sense."

[–] expletivedeleted@lemmy.zip 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Irregardless isn't even setting off spell checkers. "Without having lack of regard", fucking what?

Our language is evolving into useless shit, and I despise people who do not respect language and definitions. "Oh, language is evolving!"

Yeah, velociraptors evolved into chickens: how did that shit work out? /being facetious, before someone with poor language skills happens to be a paleontologist snaps back

[–] egrets@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (2 children)

You're fighting the tide. There's never been a point in time where language had fixed, immutable definitions. It's always been transient, no matter what you learned, and it's not a good thing or a bad thing, it's just how communication and culture work.

[–] searabbit@piefed.social 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I think it's valid to have a visceral hatred for contranyms.

[–] egrets@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

I'm not saying you can't hate them, but I am saying that all you'll achieve by that is getting angry all the time.

[–] expletivedeleted@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I am pretty sure we came up with DEFINITIONS. Now what does that word mean?

I having been fighting a tide of idiocy my entire life, but it doesn't mean I will drown in it.

[–] QuiteQuickQum@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Definitions are found, not made. ;)

[–] expletivedeleted@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Objects are found. We define objects. Then we make words. This seems so simple and people seem to want to make it complex.

[–] QuiteQuickQum@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Eh, I've been learning about linguistics and it's changed my view on the topic.

[–] expletivedeleted@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I study linguistics, and ironically, I have no idea what you mean.

The hilarious part was I was recently dating a linguistics TA working towards her masters. The entire draw between us was linguistics.

This is so hilarious to me.

Icing on the cake, my ex-fiancé had her masters in communication.

[–] QuiteQuickQum@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Very interesting! Goes to show no subject of study is monolithic in belief! Well, as an unlearned person, here's where the topic intersected with linguistics for me: https://open.spotify.com/episode/2pX2MC8vjKOeepdvCrQ07h

The podcast is Lingthusiam.

Long story short it's back to the changing nature of definitions based on how people use the word. Hence, my saying they are found, as they can be found to have evolved. Have a great one!

[–] expletivedeleted@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I worked in all those areas as well as networking. And it only put me in management, which I fucking hate.

Plus side: only have to deal with the CEO. Downside: anytime I try to do what I enjoy doing, I have to delegate the task or at least be training.

So much bullshit of checking on what my team is doing, acting as a liaison and paralegal to work with various vendors, etc.

But hey: I am no longer customer facing and I choose my hours. As long as the projects stay on track, cool.

And I am a pretty good boss to work for. I keep us way ahead of schedule, and when my team says they have nothing to do, I cause a network issue that kills the cameras and tell them to watch a movie.

When the CEO bitches about the network issue, I remind him of how he wouldn't buy the equipment I recommended and that we should have ran fiber to my team's building.

Sounds like I am shitty to the company from an HR standard, but if I need something in a pinch, my team will pop in with 200% energy and focus. They like coming to work and don't dread when I come around.

It was funny when new hires come on and I find they are doomscrolling tiktok on their phones. Man, are we reaching the projected goal date? Then I give no fucks.

As for metrics, because I used to work for a fortune 500 company, I just did what I did then: learn the API, write a script system that opens tickets with plenty of randomized jargon, and close them after a few hours. Dude is just looking at big picture shit anyhow.

I always wanted to work for me, but I think I am a unicorn.

[–] QuiteQuickQum@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Did you reply to the wrong comment? Just figured this sounds like it was meant for another thread and don't want that convo interrupted.

[–] expletivedeleted@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I use Voyager and it is buggy as shit. So yeah, this was a misthread response. Annoying. Pay no mind. Have a great week!

This was intended for a programmerhumor post.

[–] veniasilente@feddit.cl 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

irregardless

"Inflammable" means flammable!

[–] ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

It would make more sense if it was written “enflammable”, similar to French.

But both forms are acceptable… meaning in French, you can have “ininflammable”!

[–] Stefan_S_from_H@piefed.zip 10 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Context is rarely given.

And the real meaning is important when the actual work has to be done.

“Allow users to upload and play GIFs.” And now I'm reading old specs from 1987 or try to use an existing GIF library. The boss is angry because he can't upload his silent movie.

“This site needs AI.” And now I'm happily pruning some trees for the perfect minimax implementation. The manager asks me how many tokens it will need, and I say 0. They become suspicious.

[–] inlandempire@jlai.lu 11 points 5 days ago

Context doesnt have to be given, it exists regardless of instructions ; it's your responsibility to infer and understand it, or ask questions if you feel like you're missing important info

[–] supernight52@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

If context isn't given, in a professional setting- then that is a failing on the person communicating. Again, your examples are cleared up with context. The meaning isn't gone, there is just more than one definition to those words now.

[–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

But there is a general definition. That's the point isn't it? Its a bit on the reader to get with that.

For example, if I say something about corn you should know what im talking about immediately. I shouldn't have to specify the yellow vegetable also called maize just because a thousand years ago the word meant something else.

[–] supernight52@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago

Did you fail to read the thread, or do you actually think you said anything that has bearing on the conversation?

[–] mbfalzar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 days ago

I'm gonna reuse an old comment here

"literally" being used to mean "figuratively" dates back to 3 years after the word "literally" began meaning "actually". If this is a hill to die on, you need to use "literally" exclusively to mean "as written in the texts". Common usage of "literally" to mean "actually" and "figuratively" both date to the 1590s