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[–] sakphul@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

During the medieval period there was no currency used throughout the whole of Germany. Most used the Silver Penny (Pfennig) but there were different types with a different value (amount of silver in them) that also changed over time (some were more stable, some changed every year). People were obligated to exchange old coins for the new ones and part of the exchange was held back by the people in charge (the so called Schlagschatz). Also people coming from a different location were obligated to exchange their coins or silver bars to the local currency at the time. The exchange rates were quite different.

It was a complete mess. But somehow it worked.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

~~I think Spice and Wolf paints a pretty good depiction of the market (and world) of the early middle age' europe.~~

[–] sakphul@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

To not offend anyone: please don't get me wrong.

It is not the goal of the series to give a historical correct impression. But to create a nice and engaging story. Which is totally fine. But historical accuracy is not part of it.

I watched the first episode and have to say: it is not even close to give a proper impression of the medieval (especially early medieval) ages in europe.

  • clothing completely wrong
  • How villages and cities look like
  • How trade is organized
  • local law enforcement is completely missing
  • how a village and social life was organized and the embedding into the local administration is missing

It is a nice show to watch. But a ".. pretty good depiction of the market... "? Definetly no.

I do 13th century living history for museums. The show has more in common with a Hollywood movie then anything with history.

[–] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

While their claim about the world is certainly off:

  1. 13th century is not what was being depicted in spice and wolf. It was a depiction of renaissance-era to age-of-reason mercantile trade.
  2. the point to which they were specifically referring was the gigantic plot arc that specifically focused on the debasement of currency and speculation thereupon, the markets for which were almost exactly as described, you seem to be taking their word "market" to mean "physical space and event", when S&W examines basic market theory in a mercantile environment. Its depiction of economic speculation, debasement of currency, etc. Are nearly impeccable, aside from random bits like "make the fur smell like apples" (though I shouldn't put it past some random merchant to try such a ploy, even if i think it unlikely to avail them), even down to the "money changers clinking coins together to try to hear differing purities of silver", which you can do yourself with silver coins. While there are certainly many aspects which did not accurately reflect renaissance Europe, pretending that something has no historical basis because the costumes in a fantasy setting based on both Europe and Japan aren't period appropriate to a period several hundred years off of the period it's actually based on is absolutely ludicrous.

As far as organisation of the communities, you're absolutely right. Though, I can't think of a single work of fiction, ever, which accurately depicts the sheer level of societal interconnection in any period, so I think the criticism unfair, given how perfectly it nails the economic principles it tries to tackle.

As far as the local policing force, I'd like to see a source on the presence, efficacy and integration of local police forces in continental Europe during the renaissance. I am only familiar with London, but I distinctly remember that, at the time period roughly equivalent to that being depicted in S&W, London was barely into its "thief-taker" phase of policing.

Anyway, if you're judging Spice and wolf off of the first episode, then you're missing the entire first arc that the commenter is referring to, in which the show explores, in exacting detail, precisely the phenomena to which your original comment was referring