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Just now? THIS is pushing the envelope? Lmao
And he almost crossed the line this time! Don't worry, they've already moved the line 10 yard back to give him some extra space to push the envelope further.
Yes, using an almost exact Hitler quote is pushing the envelope because it's a new level for him.
It isn't. He's started his campaign with fascist rhetoric. He's just saying with the emotion of a deranged fool and not the balanced charisma he had before.
Edit: Nvm. I watched the actual video. He's still got that contemplative attitude. He was being interviewed, after all.
In his inauguration speech it was like he was channeling Hitler. Really creepy.
American carnage!
What a perfect kickoff to a never-ending clownwreck of hypocritical idiot crooks.
He had balanced charisma? When?
I've been around about the same amount of time he has and I've never seen it.
Did you know that Trump is extremely popular among Republicans? He throws these rallies and hypes up crowds of supporters. He's also really big on social media and at one point had a super popular Twitter account.
I'm surprised you've been around the entire time and haven't seen any evidence of his charisma!
But like, so? They vote. They are (IMO) degenerates for sure but he does have the ability to whip them up in a way that e.g. Ted Cruz cannot.
I think balanced is the word they take issue with.
What is balanced charisma? I'm unfamiliar with the term and balanced is such a broad word it's hard to understand specifically what you mean. It almost seems like so many people hate Trump that any acknowledgement of his strengths are met with downvotes.
I can't explain what the other guy meant by balanced charisma. I was just commenting that, love or hate him, you simply cannot argue that he is balanced. The man is chaotic.
Whipping idiots into a frenzy by saying outrageous stuff isn't really charisma
Wait, so when he talked about the lying press (Lügenpresse) that didn't count because why?
Because accusing the media of dishonesty is a perfectly defensible thing to do. The way Trump did it was indefensible, and reminiscent of lugenpresse, but this is a far more specific use of Nazi language and concept.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/richard-spencer-speech-npi/508379/
They legit cheered him with an actual Nazi salute and Nazi cheer.
"Hail trump! Hail victory" or "Heil Trump! Zeig heil!" Which doesn't sound familiar at all.
They're just happy. I don't see any Nazi armbands or flags, so therefore it isn't really a Nazi dogwhistle.
#/S
And while he's cultivated these fans for obvious reasons, it's harder to make that stick, because it's them, not Trump.
Again, fuck the Nazis, fuck Trump courting the Nazis with his Nazi rhetoric, and fuck the complacent press giving him a pass because Trump stories are a lay-up cash grab for them and the GOP benefits them - I'm being descriptive here not prescriptive.
Just to be clear trump is a Nazi. He is known to have a beloved copy of mein Kampf he left on his bedside table. He is known to quote sections of mein kampf. He is known to quote sections of Hitler's addresses to the reichstad. His father was arrested at a kkk meeting. His father was so horrible to minorities woody Guthrie wrote an absolute banger about what a piece of shit he is. His father is a credibly alleged member of the German American bundists (ww2 American Nazi supporters). His father and himself have both been charged with harassing minority tenants to get them to leave. Trump's father outright refused to sell to minorities extremely vocally.
He's a Nazi, it's been very clear for a very long time.
This is a distinction without a difference, but while he's perfectly comfortable courting Nazis with words and actions aligned with their views, I don't think he's ideologically a Nazi.
He's clearly fascinated with Hitler, and has probably read parts of Mein Kampf, and has almost definitely read speeches like the Reichstag address, but I'm not sure I believe he's read the whole thing (not that that would indicate much in isolation), and I think the idea that he'd have it as a permanent fixture on his bedside table is laughable.
I can't find evidence of him quoting Mein Kampf (feel free to prove otherwise), but he certainly uses Nazi terms.
I'm not one for sins of the father - this is a super-weak point to raise. Fred was unquestionably a racist piece of shit though, and it's very plausible (though unconfirmed) he was a Nazi.
I think Trump is a racist fascist that has an understandable fascination with historically effective populist fascist rhetoric, who relishes the positive attention he gets from Nazis, but I think he's too self absorbed to be ideologically Nazi. This changes nothing though - his policy and rhetoric doesn't change based on whether or not he's an actual Nazi, or just functionally near-indistinguishable from one.
He's ideologically a Nazi.
That's an ideology and his ex wife and a few other sources back it up.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/07/trump-praised-hitler-to-john-kelly-new-book-claims.html
He admits to owning multiple Nazi books and is apparently gifted them for "some reason" that totally isn't that everyone knows he's a Nazi.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie
Legit any amount of research about Trump leads you to a rather "peculiar" amount of nazism and Nazi references.
It's not sins of the Father, Fred is quite literally and admittedly like a super hero to trump and absorbed every shitty fucking lesson, you think he said "eh ok trying to kill this lady with high level cancer with contaminated carpet and drilling holes in her ceiling" but somehow said "woah daddy o, this Jew hating stuff is a bad trip, like a super bummer man". No his actions show more than enough proof that isn't at all the case.
So a racist fascist that gets a peculiar amount of Nazi related gifts, says a lot of Nazi shit, acts like a shitty cartoon coyote of Hitler but isn't a Nazi.....
Fair enough - though honestly, I'm still skeptical he's got the capacity to look beyond his own self-interest to genuinely give a shit about any particular ideology.
Ok, fair point. "Lying press" is a phrase harkening from the 19th C and questioning the integrity of the media in general is fine but for a president to do it as often as Trump did and for the obvious purpose of deflection and personal gain and whatever is, as you say, indefensible. Taken alone, "lying press" would be one thing but in context of everything else it's hard to imagine he got the phrase from studying about its use prior to the 1930s.
But I agree the blood thing is more unique to Nazi language and worldview. Trump continues to make it clearer and clearer what he is about.
Hopefully anyone who cares to stop fascism isn't waiting for him to start exterminating people en masse to be sure.
It's not a new level for him, not even close.
It’s so not a new level for him. Very fine people, great genetics, etc.
You'd have to be dense to think this is new for him. Quit being naive
Yes, he is pushing the envelope now. And in the past. And in the future. Asking Donald Trump to not be a trash fire is like asking gravity to suddenly reverse. It ain't happening.
I used to push the envelope. I still do, but I used to too.
“Can you imagine if the Headless Horseman had a headless horse? It would be fucking chaos!”
Another great quote and an unfortunately apt metaphor.
There's the quote I was looking for!
The problem with pushing the envelope is that every time you do, it moves.
If he's not careful, he's gonna get in trouble maybe someday kinda eventually probably 🤞🤞🤞
We all know what he thinks, but his hints/dogwhistles are ever pushing the envelope.
This is the one thing South Park has nailed recently.
"Oh yeah, that was your line? Finger in the butt upsets you, but fucking immigrants to death is completely fine?"