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Norm Finkelstein argues back that anti-Semitism is defined as an "irrational" hatred of Jews, but that the resentment is rational.
Hasan argues that no people are monolithic, and the scapegoating of Jews is a common tactic. That people understand that when Tucker Carlson says America has "demographic concerns", that is white supremacy.
He says that if Jews were monolithic there would not be such a generational divide on Zionism and billions spent to maintain its indoctrination.
Finkelstein says he would not tell someone who has experienced the Holocaust that they should not hate Germans. And that he would not argue with a Palestinian who feels the same way about Jews.
Norm cites that 95% of Israeli citizens agree with the force used against Gaza, and that its citizen army that represents its population carried out mass starvation as a method of war.
Hasan Piker says he agrees with the facts, but he has a more optimistic perspective in terms of changing people's minds on conflating Judaism with Zionism.
I'm not gonna police victims of oppression but I'm gonna police the fuck out of westerners who think they can use victims of oppression as shields for their theoretical deviations and laziness. It is shocking how much supposedly-leftist Anglo western spaces have started tolerating zog talking points and other idealism.
"Other Idealism" is a very funny way of saying we're riddled with zealots, and I appreciate the humor tbh.
Yeah revolution in the west is gonna be an uphill battle for a lot of reasons, one of which is the aggressive, proud ignorance of a subsection of self-identified leftists. It's much more concentrated online than in irl orgs fortunately (although they are in no way immune to it)
Ironic, maybe, but online leftism, even in nominally ML spaces, is most similar irl to trotskyist orgs I've tried to work with. Vibes and in-group/out-group signifiers form the core of the culture, rather than theory and practice.
There are a handful of users here that I'd definitely call spiritually trotskyist and unfortunately they often seem to have the most free time to spend on the internet.
Honestly, refreshing to hear an outside perspective and useful for me to keep in mind. These muppets crying about their pet project and purity testing haven't touched grass in half a decade. I've got plenty of real world organizing efforts under my belt that have translated into material improvements in real people's lives. Who gives a shit if they sit around snickering at others or parroting reactionary bullshit? They're terminally online losers with zero reference for what they're actually discussing.
A vocal minority is going to disproportionately shape the overall tone here, but that doesn't have to disproportionately shape my self-worth, and it DEFINITELY shouldn't shape my worldview or strategy.
Thanks for your perspective.