"Sister Kathaliynnry, you made a simple error, you only reset the Mirror of Many Pixels, not the Tower of Processing. My Millennial Master Father Steve taught me such, may the Omnissiah watch over his soul."

"I pray for the birth of the Star Millennial to usher in the new golden age of tech!"

Edit: I was kinda hoping the response to this post would more be people joking about my Warhammer reference, but instead y'all be posting serious analysis here. Real buzzkill.

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[–] LittleFellaNamedBoof@hexbear.net 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Where do you disagree? Was this thing I said not directly related to the concern you mentioned?

If you teach them good habits and they grow into healthy adults they might not even realize what a favor you did for them, but their lives will certainly be better for it.

[–] IvarK@hexbear.net 3 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

I’m sorry if you felt that I misunderstood your point. It was not my intention to do a bad-faith reading, my apologies if I inadvertently did.

I think I was more trying to express my gut reaction to what I perceived as a similar line of reasoning to what I grew up hearing from parents (mine were cool but others around me) of “you can play video games for an hour on weekends as a treat but otherwise you have to be outside and play sports whether you want to or not”. These types of arguments never went over well with any of my friends, and usually just resulted in resentment and them finding ways to sneak away and be on the computer at my house or whatever.

I hope that clarifies my feelings I was trying to express!

[–] LittleFellaNamedBoof@hexbear.net 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I mean i understood what you were saying. I just didn't understand where you were disagreeing. I still don't really think we disagree on anything? Kids rebel. Kids get mad at their parents. It is what it is. What I was pointing to in my statement I quoted was that even if they don't like it you are doing them a favor. Look at your friends for example. They wanted to be on the computer at home. Alone in their bedroom. Instead they were forced to get out of the house, go to your house, interact with a friend in person, and play video games there. This develops social skills. They had to get up and move around. They got outside. It's incalcuably more beneficial than if they'd been allowed to sit at home and play video games all day. And the cost is what? They were mad at their parents? Is that really such a bad thing? If your kids are never mad at you then imo your not doing your job.

[–] IvarK@hexbear.net 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

What they wanted to do wasn’t “be alone in their bedroom”, it was “partake in the common social activity their peers are engaged in” (i.e hanging out online together). The part where they snuck away to my (or whatever) place happened rarely. A lot of the time they were just idk bored I suppose.

You could argue that hanging out online is worthless and a waste of time or whatever and in that case we’re both hypocrites for chatting away here.

I think it’s a reductive and bordering on some flavor of dehumanizing (kids are people with internality too) to look at the resentment people can feel towards their parents for this kind of thing (some even into adulthood mind you since it’s part of a larger parenting pattern) and go “ah well kids get upset over silly things they are too naive and stupid to be thankful for all the time”

Sorry if I’m putting words in your mouth, it is not my intent at all, and I’m trying not to characterize you stance as some boomer “pain builds character” thing because I don’t believe that’s where you’re coming from. It’s just that these lines of reasoning can stray dangerously close to that which doesn’t sit well with me.

[–] LittleFellaNamedBoof@hexbear.net 1 points 3 hours ago

Well that kind of comes down to like is the parent just denying them something or are they saying, "Don't do this thing, do this instead" Like for example I wouldn't want my kids spending a lot of time online. I'd let them do stuff online in moderation, I do it myself, but like the always online and connected norm of the day is very unhealthy imo. But I'd also so things like encourage them to sign up for martial arts classes and take them there or take them to do some other random in person thing they want to do with their friends. And when at home and the computers are all turned off I'd have other things for them to do too. I guess maybe I'm getting a bit old but I didn't even have a computer until I was 12 or so and I found ways to entertain myself just fine without an iPad. Books, toys, board games, pets to play with, a swing in the back yard, basketball hoop in the driveway, etc.

The idea that you are either online as much as you want or bored is a false dichotomy imo. The internet is imo extremely unhealthy to be on all the time. In the time between my last reply to you and now I was in my backyard digging up onions and went to the grocery store. Moderation is everything, but it is designed to be addictive. So you need to enforce strict limits with children to prevent them falling victim to addictive algorithms. That's not building character through pain. It's protecting your children.

[–] Arahnya@hexbear.net 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Yeah; some parents have a physically / emotionally corporal approach to this, and it has detrimental effects.