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So you worked in france making 3/4s (french espresso), and went to italy and didn't notice a difference in coffee served?
I mean that just can't be true.
Like I said, i was working with Italian suppliers, because it was an Italian place. So I wasn't making french espresso. And I never said there wasn't any difference.
I said the difference is in taste and smell. Because that's where the difference is. No matter where you are in the world, a good espresso will look and feel the same. Because the beans don't change the texture, they change the smell and the taste.
What you're probably referring to as this big difference between Italian espresso and other places comes from the fact that in many places in Italy, when you order a coffee, they give you a ristretto instead of an espresso.
Fair, but I have never had an espresso as good as in italy, damn even the highway truck stops make good coffee.
I don't know, but with all the expensive machinery (it was all the rage in Sweden to have mysterious espresso machines a while ago), the cup isn't better than the french which is made to accommodate old beans (invented in the 1890s IIRC when you couldn't get fresh beans). The italian makes them all feel like fast-food coffee. For me.
But maybe it's just that they dial the grounds finer and make that more ristretto like coffee I like.
Thanks for the idea, I'll try it out!
Yeah, no worries. In the end, we like what we like. Personally I don't like it when I have to add sugar to the espresso. And for me, most places serve coffee that's too bitter cause they roast the beans too much since that's what was the standard for the longest time.