Yeah I think there's this huge gap between the image on the left and say the way the parents acted in Malcolm in the Middle. The former is sexually suggestive in a sterile way. It's like if your accountant was working in their underwear. The latter is sexual without being sexy. It's a married couple who has a major character trait of trying to fit some boinking into any gap in the schedule they can. It doesn't try to titilate the viewer, but instead just depicts sex as a normal part of adult life.

I'm not saying one shouldn't have sexy characters, but when it's emphasized the sexy should always serve the character. None of this "she breathes through her skin" nonsense. No you want a superhero in a blatantly sexual outfit, then tell us about how they're insecure and showing skin to deal with it, or that they're using sexuality to cope with the stress and difficulties of their job, or even just that they really like feeling hot. Have them acknowledge the sex behind the sexual choices the designers made.

I get what you're saying and I agree to an extent but even shit like that doesn't really exist anymore. Like I said it feels like something over corrected when moving away from objectification and right into puritanism. I don't quite have the verbage required to quite explain what I mean, it just kinda feels like a lot of media and even culture is outright sex averse in a weird way.

I can only think of maybe a small handful of positive instances of "porn in nonporn". For example, Bayonetta as a character is very much aware of her sexiness, and approves of flaunting it. Compare that to something like Stellar Blade, where the Eve is just "accidentally" super hot, with zero self awareness.

I agree, is what I'm saying.