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Incredible
Fending off the authoritarian left by voting for a blackwater concentration camp guard
that is the 7th deadly fetish, if i recall correctly
just one more Hitler, then we can finally do anarchy without those pesky tankies!
Lesser evil than some trans people obsessed with avians of course
Wait, does someone know if this narrative is coming from somewhere in particular? Someone said this same thing to me somewhere else on the internet when I was arguing against Platner.
They asked me "what should I do instead then?" after gesturing towards vaguely revolutionary-sounding language. I told them they probably need to understand how these problems were solved outside of voting in bourgeois elections in the past, read some history about how groups of people formed revolutions, understand some theory behind revolutions, and then get organized with like-minded individuals.
The response of several people was to accuse me of telling this person to "solo carry a revolution". This person is also telling this exact same lie: "yelling at me to...start a single man revolution". Where is this coming from?
It's the very individualistic nature of USians. Another common thing is to emphasize how big USA is. (It's SO BIG did you know??)
Oh, I understand the ideology behind it, but this is extremely specific. Responding directly to a call for collective organization and an understanding of collective action with "so you want me to do this all by myself?" is particularly strange. And they all have very similar wordings. I have a feeling this is being repeated from somewhere.
it's "by myself" because there's no mass organizing already. if there is no collective then obviously i'm expected to found the vanguard in my area somehow despite lacking any means, ability, or opportunity to do that.
Electoral politics is uniquely adapted to the consumerist thought pattern
There’s famously never been a revolution in a large country
It's big, but there are far fewer geographical distinctions than you might think. Urban areas across the country are more alike than not and rural places are effectively homogeneous in anywhere with a white supermajority.
There are some local concerns, but for the most part, the entire country is tuned into the same nationally syndicated brainworms. A big part of our job is to elevate and address these local concerns over whatever Fox News and MSNBCNN are crying about today.
i don't think that's about geographical distinctions, it's about the fact that the WHCD assassin had to spend hundreds of dollars to get to his target and most people can't go to shit if they need three days off work and $700
nah that one is real sometimes. if all the 50501 dorks could afford to go to DC they'd get much more done, even if by accident, and you can't really compare us to more compact countries where meaningful numbers of people can actually gather in one place.
100 people in a thousand cities each is nothing. even if only half of them can make it, 50,000 people in one place is way more valuable.
The Palestine protests, especially early on, had estimates that were putting us at ~150k in attendance. The streets of DC were flooded.
There was a complete loop spanning multiple blocks around the white house.
Every news article listed it as "thousands in attendance".
Thats if they even reported it lol
yeah that was definitely suppressed in the media.
it's weird how it's both a threat so they don't cover it, but it isn't a threat so no capitulations are made.
They cannot fathom that politics cannot be carried out within a single campaign season. If you suggest that they do something else, it is a suggestion that they need to carry out an alternative plan immediately. None of these people realizing that we are begging them to stop putting so much faith in electoralism and actually fucking organize outside the bourgeois system. They plug their ears so they can strawman us into saying we only suggested that they burn down the local walmart.
It is very similar to what a certain streamer frequently yells at the people he calls ultras. "You go start a revolution tomorrow, then."
"if you want to found a proletarian party tomorrow, I will be right there with you" asshole you are a literal millionaire. If anyone can start a new, proletarian party, it's you. But you're all in on the democrats, because you are a liberal whose purpose is to convince people drifting left that they can get what they want through the dead end that is entryism.
I focused on his less diplomatic phrasing because it was more directly similar to what the libs were saying and I wasn't just bringing him up to relitigate this same topic for the thousandth time, but yeah, his ridiculous attitude on this subject ("create a vanguard party for me") is bizarre and frustrating.
The truth of it, of course, is that there is no fucking way he would ever join such a party.
Idk who your referring to but PSL exists? Do they know that? I'm guessing there's some reason it isn't good enough for them?
Not obsess over some crayon-eater who's not even in the same state as you.
I don't think its coming from anywhere except that they are all deeply steeped in individualism. Individualist reactionaries hear "we need a vanguard party" and think reflexively "great so who is going to start it? Not me." because the idea of a group of people all willingly working together and sharing a single vision is entirely alien to them. They think only in terms of self service and self interest. They also 100% follow great man theory. So assume you are saying they should be that great man.
Them all saying the same thing is the result of them all suffering from the same mind virus
Ah yeah actually that was me. I could have worded it better but I wanted to make clear that the revolution has to be violent. I decided to drop the whole conversation when they completely dismissed an article about indigenous people saying "don't vote" with "but me and my family need this" and then required the dems to implement ranked choice voting before they would do something.
https://lemmy.ml/post/48239454/26043637
I don't think you said anything wrong. Even the "begins with you" is after a direction to join an existing organization. Obviously they aren't speaking in good faith.
Yeah but you know how it is with these types of people that keep waffling on and on, they attach a meaning to certain phrases that are categorised as good or bad and if you trip such a phrase they will disregard everything before and after and only hear what that specific phrase means to them. For them "violent leftist action" is stuff like Mangione (allegedly) and they think that's bad for the obvious reasons but then don't go further to examine in what context it would have been good. So if you advocate for violence from a leftist perspective you're obviously just advocating for adventurism, coupled that with the "starts with you" sealed it. You have to be real precise not to trigger any boobytrap, it was something on my mind while writing it but disregarded it.
Phrases like "Where I’d push back on the liberal/socialist framing specifically" and "But here’s where your argument hits its ceiling for me." shows they can't really form a specific argument but still live in inconvienced brunchland where how you say something matters more than what you're saying.
It's not a big loss, just gotta keep piling on the contradictions.
they say solo carry because they don't know of any organization in their area, there may be no orgs in their area, so saying they need to do all that stuff is interpreted as saying they specifically need to found the vanguard themselves from nothing.
Does… does this guy think the only options are “vote for the guy with a Nazi tattoo” or “do some self-destructive adventurism”?
Tends to be a very common thing for USians. You see this in Reddit a lot too, in fact, any place that us focused on US are like this honestly..
do nothing and pretend it's effective or kill a bunch of random people is a very am*rican choice
Americans don't want to actually work for something, but we'd gladly die for it.
I'll die for my country, but I won't wear a mask.
I'll go fight a pointless war, but I won't feed the homeless.
Well, he's only one man!
And he certainly can't join an organization or start one because that would mean talking to people face-to-face
Or worse, he might have to work cooperatively with people who don’t agree with him on every single issue but share broad goals!
a whole lot of people have no organization to join and most of us aren't capable of founding that shit. I'd consider talking to people face-to-face if there was a preponderance of mask-wearers but people won't even meet me 10% of the way.
these fuckin losers are just a pile of reddit truisms in a trenchcoat
Love to just use two words that Marx also used to establish that I "understand Marx's political theory" while ignoring what Marx actually said about the topic at hand (bourgeois elections) and why.
Vulgarizing Lenin is even worse here. Lenin’s whole thing was to not concede on principle to the tailists who projected all possible wisdom to the spontaneity of the masses. This guy is saying to vote for Platner merely because he might win an election, with no theory about how that helps a revolution or Platners ability to lead a movement (not less, his ability to organize with any broader movement outside of himself)
There's a bit of that around Hexbears as well