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[–] rothaine@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Abstaining is actually voting Republican, because of the voter demographics wherein Republicans have a dedicated chunk of zealots who will vote 100% of the time, and the Democrats having no such thing

[–] FishFace@piefed.social 8 points 1 week ago (5 children)

If you're a republican, abstaining is voting democrat.

[–] RamenJunkie@midwest.social 3 points 1 week ago

Yes, OP's point is also that generally speaking Republicans are less likely to abstain.

[–] rothaine@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 week ago

It's not though. The fewer people vote, the more likely it is for Republicans to win

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[–] almost_genocide@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (12 children)

and the Democrats having no such thing

And instead of asking yourself why Democratic politicians are failing to inspire loyalty you blame the voters of a democracy?

Hot take bud.

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Democracy means you have the freedom to elect a fascist government if you want to, and that's exactly what the American people have done. They exercised their freedom to choose Trump over Harris.

American people don't get very many freedoms. They don't get the freedom to vote third party. They don't get the freedom to vote "neither of the above". They don't get the freedom to use the popular vote. But they do get the freedom to choose between the two big candidates, and that's the freedom they exercised.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

You very much can vote for an alternative party in the United States. I have voted Green in several elections.

[–] almost_genocide@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (29 children)

Democracy means you have the freedom to elect a fascist government if you want to,

If that's all democracy is then it's benefits have been vastly overstated and I see no reason to protect it.

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[–] gtrcoi@programming.dev 0 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Also voting 3rd party is voting Republican because it's akin to abstaining. All those Jill Stein voters are basically Maga.

[–] festnt@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago (5 children)

i always found it weird when people say voting 3rd party is like not voting.

is there no second round for the 2 most voted when the most voted doesn't reach 50%?

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 week ago

is there no second round for the 2 most voted when the most voted doesn't reach 50%?

No, that's literally the fucking problem

[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

There is not. Bill Clinton won the presidency with something like 42% of the vote in 1992.

Neither Trump Nor Bush won more than 50% of the vote to secure their first term in office.

[–] tomenzgg@midwest.social 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Not in a first-past-the-post system; you're thinking of a two-round system.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

It's important to note that both Bush and Trump won their initial election by the electoral college and lost the popular vote. So not only do you not have to get >50%, you don't even have to get a plurality of votes to win.

Also, Roger Stone just happened to participate in both elections, and both had fuckery involved.

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not in America. If you vote third party, your vote doesn't get counted in the big race.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Those votes do get counted. For example, we know that in 2024 Stein got 862,049 votes.

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[–] almost_genocide@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Who's both siding now?

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