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So, living objects can regulate the amount of carbon-14 specifically, not just carbon in general? And then, knowing the ratio of carbon-14 in a living creature, we know how much time passed by? Or is it that it breaks into nitrogen that reduces the overall amount of carbon, and this is what we detect?
Because otherwise it shouldn't matter whether they died and carbon-14 broke down for a thousand years or carbon-14 broke down for a thousand years and then the recent creature consumed it. The ratio of carbon isotopes must be the same, as carbon-14 would break down anyway.
Here I assume that whatever happens with carbon-14 in fossils also happens with any carbon-14 around us. It's not that it breaks down in fossils specifically, but not in everything else. So the order shouldn't matter, unless the ratio is different in a living organism. As a matter of assumption, that is.
So, from what I understand, living things maintain (or at least prior to the industrial revolution did maintain) a predictable ratio of C-14 to C-12. I'm not super familiar with the mechanics of this, I imagine it's a case of the amount of C-14 lost matching the rate it was replaced via respiration.
Once the organism dies, it stops controlling that ratio and we can measure the decay using a sample of the material.
I see! If so, that makes sense, but the mechanics of C14 accumulation would be curious to see.
I don't think it's that the plants are controlling the ratio. I think it's that more C14 is being made all the time. And it only gets mixed into plants when they are living. Specifically it looks like C14 based CO2 is made in the atmosphere and then eaten by plants.