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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Funny, it really is easier to get the gist of what someone is saying in a foreign language that one has some familiarity with, but constructing a sentence with the correct words and grammar is a completely different game.

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 7 points 11 hours ago

Yep. Reading a book or watching a movie in Spanish is as easy as English to me. Speaking? I can definitely hold a conversation but it won't be fluid or elegant at all.

To be fair I spend a ton more time listening to Spanish than speaking it. Consuming content is easy, social interactions hard lmao

[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

understanding and producing and two entirely different skills, and for many people one of them makes them anxious

[–] Paddzr@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago

It blows my mind because my wife can hear and read other languages and translate it with insane accuracy, but she wouldn't be able to hold a conversation.

My English speaking brain can't do it.

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 5 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Sometimes it can be the opposite as well, because missing a key word or two renders all the other stuff you understood in the sentence basically useless. If you understood "He has a new X and he's gonna try Y tomorrow," you got everything except the gist, but constructing basic sentences doesn't take all that much study.

Anyway, I'd recommend not trying to do Japanese through immersion.

[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Japanese has a cheat code though. If you try to say English words with a Japanese accent they can mostly understand you. Words like hamburger and strawberry are a good example.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

But strawberry are ichigo and not "stuawbelly", no?

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 4 points 20 hours ago

The huge number of loanwords is a bit of a boon, but the benefits are canceled out by the small amount of sounds in the language. There are so many homophones and words with similar sounds that learning vocab is really difficult.

Also it was years before I found out that hambaagaa is a hamburger and hambaagu is a meat patty on a plate.

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So very much this, I've been living in a foreign country for 6 months now and taking language classes. I can eavesdrop better than just about any other skill. Including understanding when spoke too directly.

Doesn't help basically everyone speaks English.

[–] M137@lemmy.today 2 points 11 hours ago

I get this with my native language which country I still live in, Sweden, because I'm stuck at home the vast majority of the time due to illness and basically only read and watch things in English. So when I do get out I often forget Swedish words and have generally speak badly, it's kinda funny.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I can eavesdrop better than just about any other skill.

You would have been SUCH a successful spy 40 years ago when top secret stuff was still mainly via face to face conversations 😁

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 3 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Them: Papiere bitte

Me: What? Uhhh I mean, was?

Them: 🤨

[–] Luxyr@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I'm the opposite with Japanese, at least. I can construct sentences and know what to say, but when native speakers talk to me, I just can't follow well at all.

[–] sh__@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

How did you learn it? I'm actually curious because that would probably explain why.

[–] Luxyr@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 hours ago

I took some class in college, otherwise via apps like WaniKani, Duolingo and Busuu.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 hours ago

My guess would be textbook language vs reality slang.
So OP might be able to listed to a newspaper but would loose context in a slang-heavy tv show
Maybe also a case of dialect vs standard language