askchapo

Well that's where actual experience comes in. With the psychedelics, the meditation and noticing the thing. And if you haven't delved there and noticed the thing, then you haven't. End of that conversation.

So how about the point in my OP? You got anything to day about that?

There's a ghost who lives in my uncle's attic and he says magic is real but out went to another highschool.

I love how you're talking about materialist thought like you're applying that here. You aren't. Materialism requires investigation. It requires context. You don't have any of that in this instance because you didn't try to ask.

Sure, let's take magic, because I think that's a fun one and I've had some interesting conversations with folks with different cultural contexts for "magic" in my life. In the white western "Harry Potter" context, magic is bullshit. Wizards can't go around and set fire with magic sticks and summon magic owls or whatever. Great, nobody is arguing that. Probably. If they are, it would be an interesting discussion although probably not a very serious one. Would love to have that conversation though regardless.

Turns out though there are many, many other historical and cultural contexts for "magic". Those absolutely could be less bullshit. And in those contexts they are less bullshit. Some medicine are called magic or have a strong basis in "magic". Some therapeutic practices are called magic or have a strong basis in "magic." Even within the white western cultural context there is an entire form of theater that is called "magic" and I can assure you that, as a form of art, theater, and entertainment, "magic" is very real. If you disagree with that then you may as well go to your local art gallery and point out how none of the paintings are real either. Ceci n'est pas une pipe indeed.

But you don't know any of that, you said yourself it is "hard to conceive" any of this. It's hard for your to concieve because you have absolutely zero interest in knowing. You didn't ask. You decided with literally zero investigation that you were automatically correct, and chose to fight about it because how dare someone say something "wrong" on the internet. You saw one thing exactly one way, did zero thought past that, and attacked. You had a chance to learn something, to grow and expand your knowledge of the world we live in, to find connection with others in a community you're choosing to participate in, to find common ground....and you chose to fight instead. For absolutely no fucking reason.

What you and many users who jump automatically to bad faith "I'm right you're wrong lalalala" arguments fail to realize is that without investigation, without thought, without context, you're not being materialist at all. You're being an idealist lib at best and an absolute fucking asshole at worst.

No investigation, no right to speak. So users like you should actually, legitimately, unironically shut the fuck up before you decide to crawl down someone's throat when you perceive them as being wrong. Instead, ask why, ask what they mean. Investigate, like materialists should.

You won't though, you're not here to listen, learn, or participate in community. You're here to prove how right and smart you are. You and the users like you are by far the #1 problem with Hexbear, toxic "I'm right you're wrong" posting with zero thought or investigation. Maybe someday we'll find a way to cure the site of this sort of absolutely toxic libshit.

Anyway, good post OP, I should go back to the local magic show near me because it's hella fun, so thanks for reminding me.