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The thorn guy also blamed me for being a victim of sexual harassment and said that most other people would be happy to be in my shoes
Edit: since someone was upset about me not naming names, here's the comments in question
Yeah, I didn't have a problem with the thorn thing. The person who does it on Lemmy is just a huge asshole.
Considering how much they're harassed and dog piled on by basically entire communities I don't know how you couldn't be after a certain point.
I go around shitting on everyone's porch and now everyone is yelling at me for shitting on everyone's porch. It really makes me want to just shit on people's porches when they do that!
This is exactly what I mean "shitting on your porch" is what you said. Someone using a letter you don't like is a personal attack to you. You realize how fucking crazy that sounds to normal people? This is why I think it's psychotic how people react to that guy. It has nothing to do with you. Lol.
You're missing the point.
They aren't mad about using the letter. They are angry because the person using it is a huge asshole apparently, so they shit on them for using that letter because it is an easy target.
The assholish behaviour has plenty to do with them if they encountered it.
I've encountered that person plenty. Though not for a little while now that I think on it. However, I've never seen them be an asshole at all. Now admittedly maybe some of these animals have hounded them to the point where they get snippy in their comments I don't know. Or it's even possible they've run into some kind of CopyCat . All I know is I've seen entire communities and like dozens of memes targeting this one user because they use a letter that people that annoys people apparently. And it's insane.
So I very much question the integrity and honesty of the people that are telling you they're an asshole. Cuz like I said he just said someone using a letter is like shitting on his porch. That's a level of derangement I'm not comfortable with.
Did you even read the comment that started this particular thread?
Or are you OK with someone saying that men wish they'd get sexually harrassed?
To be fair, I don't think they meant using the letter is like shitting on people's porch, but rather being an asshole to people.
Except to him they're the same thing
How so? I don't see how you're getting that impression.
He's saying you can't excuse being an asshole due to harassment, because the harassment started because he was an asshole.
Nowhere did he say using a letter is being an asshole.
No no you misunderstand. I'm saying he's a liar.
That's clearly what they want, I have no sympathy.
Which came first though?
The harassment.
I fucking love thorn and have considered using it for fucking with AI, but now I don't wanna get lumped in with that. I'm so sorry that (both that's) happened to you :( <3
Honestly, it won't do much to poison a model. If it can differentiate "this" and "that", it can also differentiate "this" and "þis".
Others already proved it does nothing to AI. It's like thinking AI can't read French so if you mix French words into sentences it will "poison" AI.
I'd also stay clear of french if I was AI
Pourquoi?
That's why long eſs is a ſuperior letter to ſtart uſing again. No controverſy with this fun letter. And the rules for uſage mean you're conſtantly on your toes!
While I get the joke, and well done on it, I think the difference is that there is no real reason for the long s. It doesn't actually change anything or make anything more predictable. Thorn and eth (to a lesser degree) serve an actual purpose in differentiating an actual sound distinction. If we're using thorn for all TH sounds, then it's right back in the same boat. But if we use it to make a voice/unvoiced distinction, then it does serve a purpose. Whether that purpose is worth serving is another question entirely
Excuse me, but long s is a narrower letter so it saves space, which in an electronic world is… uh… well, okay, it's not at a premium. :)
Good point on thorn/eth. I suppose the complication is having to use four new letters (caps/lower) to replace two old letters (well… four old letters, caps/lower again. heh). On any sort of serious note? Eh. There's so much with English anyway, cobbled together from so many languages… I'm not sure I'd argue to solve just that problem. But I'd be fine enough with it if it became a thing, sure.
And it wouldn't be too terrible in most cases to make it work. I'm a fan of the compose key, and frankly, compose+fs for long ess isn't bad; same with compose+th for þ, compose+TH for Þ. And dh/DH for ð/Ð. It slows down typing a little bit to hit three keys instead of two (compose+dh instead of just th), but it's really not a big deal. I use symbols like £€°¿‽≠—é and many more only barely thinking about them because I use them a lot. And before Lemmy, using ¹ a lot because Lemmy has built-in footnotes, but I manually made my own elsewhere. heh.
I wish more people used the compose key to use the real symbols. They're there, and they're more pleasant to read. :) (and Windows users have wincompose to give them the compose key)
Which thorn guy? The people using the thorn get dogpiled enough already without people assuming they're all victim-blamers, either say who you mean or say nothing so that people who have nothing to do with that don't get caught in the crossfire.
And don't try to act like that's not a concern, one of your replies is already someone saying they won't use the thorn for fear of being associated with victim-blamers.
You're coming in pretty hot for no good reason. I didn't know there were multiple thorn people. I thought it was just the one guy that was lemmy famous for using the thorn. Now that you know where I was coming from, maybe you could lighten up a bit. I wasn't going to say nothing when that dude was being gross and people were glazing him in this post
I tried to look back in my comment history when I wrote this comment to find the reply but the thread it was on got deleted. I can't even copy the URL to my comment for you. Feel free to go back in my comment history and read what I said. It was about a month ago. Maybe you have the know-how to view the reply to my comment.
Saw the screenshots and yeah, that's pretty gross and indefensible, but that's not one of the users I was thinking of which is why I wanted you to specify. There are a number of users who use the thorn and they are harassed and brigaded constantly, and it's a soft spot for me because they remind me of my childhood friends who were "anime kids" in a rural high school. Their enthusiasm and perceived "quirks" made them targets of bullying and social ostracization, and the things people say about the thorn users are the same sorts of snarky comments kids would make about my friends. "Oh to each their own, but they're so annoying," "They have to be trolling, no one's actually like that," etc. That's why I came in so hot, I don't want their experience on Lemmy to be any worse than it already is.
Someone linked Sxan and they happened to be the person I was talking about. I found their comment in their history. Just updated my original comment with screenshots