I know zero (0) vocal vegans but 3 meat eaters who make a point on hating vegans and sometimes make it sound like they eat extra meat to spite vegans.

meat eaters who feel personally attacked when someone else doesn’t religiously stuff themselves with meat every meal.

Oh, do tell.

Veganism are the consumption practices of people advocating for animal liberation. It's not just about diet but also leather jackets/zoo visits etc. It's not like being part of an animal that imbues the individual molecules with some mystic energy that renders them off limits, it's that 99.99% of the time that obtaining these molecules in sufficient quantities requires overstepping boundaries of consent if not outright murder/slavery.

But I would consider scavenged meat for instance vegan, I still wouldn't because meat gives me the ick now, but I don't see how it is contrary to animal liberation (provided it doesn't disrupt other animals mourning rituals or something similar). Or rescued sheep still require shearing. It's not as brutal as farmers shearing and obviously not done with the wool in mind but rather the sheep. So the sheep are typically shorn(?) sooner than enslaved sheep and not as close to the skin, making "vegan wool" quite a bit harder to work with, but I would consider socks made out of that wool vegan.

Hahaha next time I meet one who is starting a discussion to fish (pun intended) for something to trigger on, I now have the perfect comeback 😎

"you're just a molecular vegan, not an atomic vegan, you're just a poser"

All fruits have that, if you enhance your view enough. Put any fruit under a microscope and it's crawling with creatures.

I guess it depends on if people think roadkill is vegan; the dead wasp is part of the life cycle of the wasp/fig symbiosis so its going to die well before humans intervene.

Imo the argument could be made that by clearing land for vegetables there's a large reduction in habitable natural environments. This results in things dying that normally wouldn't. Especially true when you consider pesticides.

So is the problem the dead bug in the fig or the dead bug outside, say, an apple?

This one doesn't either, it's just a ghost.

Wild figs may be but as soon as you’re cultivating fig varieties that require the fig wasp, you are artificially increasing the wasp population specifically to perish, in order to sustain human horticulture.

That's still different to animal exploitation. Veganism are the consumption practices of people advocating for animal liberation. This is not contrary to that, "milk" and "honey" are produced by the animals for a specific reason, namely their young. Even if it were possible to obtain them without harming the animal (and there isn't, both require animal death if they are to be produced in consumer quantities) there still is the problem of consent. It is clear that bees and cows under normal circumstances do not want to give away their milk/honey. The wasp however is already dead, it is not harmed by eating the fig and it's consent is no longer part of the equation.

If the fig cultivation reaches a level where the wasps have to be kept under circumstances similar to the bees then yes I wouldn't consider the figs that require these wasps to be vegan.

See my comment here https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/19570004

scavenging is considered yucky but I don't see any reason to consider it unethical per se unless it disrupts other animals mourning rituals

Yeah, the point is they are technically not vegan so you have a supply chain issue with everything you consume.

Nitpicky, I know, and of course vegan+fossil fuel based supply chain (as long a I can't do anything about it) is still good