I'm not totally clear on what constitutes legal and what constitutes illegal during a conflict, but "sinking the vessel of a country yours just attacked unprovoked and which was at its position under an assumed banner of peace and then not granting quarter to the survivors of the attack, who, it needs to be stressed, were totally unarmed at the time of that attack" should definitely be a war crime if it isn't one currently. Hope everyone on that submarine lands in front of a tribunal.

[–] Beaver@hexbear.net 56 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

It's been maddening seeing the completely circular arguments along the lines of "what, so enemy combatants aren't fair game?"

US and Israeli policy is literally:

attack someone
it's okay to attack them because we are currently in combat with them

[–] OgdenTO@hexbear.net 30 points 3 days ago

Arrested for resisting arrest

[–] Frivolous_Beatnik@hexbear.net 28 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Fucking right? People (X users and Redditors so I use the term lightly) are acting like it was a premeditated act by the Iranian Navy, and that they decided to send the ship on some sort of suicidal mission after provoking the US and Israel to attack. I...can't fathom how to even address this, it's exhausting to even consider

[–] lemmyseizethemeans@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 3 days ago

Whenever I think of Reddit I remember Ghislaine Maxwell was a power mod of like 15 subreddits and the entire site is filled with bots and vomit

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 16 points 3 days ago (2 children)

"We knew they were going to counterattack us." So you're agree that there was no threat unless you landed the first punch, right? so-you-agree

Having grown up during the Iraq war, which featured some pretty dumb propaganda, I am going nuts seeing how much lower the floor has gotten.

[–] casskaydee@hexbear.net 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This Iraq War propaganda wasn't really different than this. The difference is how ubiquitous and popular it was

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I feel like there was an attempt at a narrative what with the bin Laden thing and the uranium thing and the "we don't want to have a smoking gun be a mushroom cloud" allusion to a hypothetical Iraqi first strike. Was it all disprovable lies? Sure, but it wasn't this atemporal "we gotta attack them to prevent the counterattack that would result from our attacking them to prevent the counterattack" ourobouros propaganda.

[–] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 3 points 2 days ago

It's so nihilistic now: everyone knows they're lying, they know that no one believes them, even their supporters know it's all bullshit that won't convince anyone.

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 9 points 3 days ago

I really don't know why they haven't gone mask off and just started talking about how it is ok because us-foreign-policy yet. That would probably make more Americans approve of the war if they framed it as a "race war" or something.

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 23 points 3 days ago

"It's not illegal when we do it" - america

Until that is shown to not be true, it is unfortunately.