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[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 33 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

Caring about what is and is not "art" is reactionary defense of the elite. My mind will not be changed

[–] Arahnya@hexbear.net 23 points 18 hours ago

they will steal and plunder your artifacts to hang in their living rooms while saying your culture and people bring nothing of value. They will commission and display our naked bodies while destroying any rights we have associated with then.

[–] WokePalpatine@hexbear.net 7 points 14 hours ago

explain marxist definitions f art that isn't yu just pulling more shit out of your ass

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 8 points 17 hours ago

there's proletarian utility to demarcation and even if you don't want to philosophize about it we'd start clustering around some consensus positions

[–] Biddles@hexbear.net 4 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

Can AI generated stuff be art?

[–] CocteauChameleons@hexbear.net 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Nah. I don't care to be philosophical about everything. If someone admits to me they're using AI for art. I'm ending the conversation. It's absolute kook shit.

[–] WokePalpatine@hexbear.net 6 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

By itself, no. When appropriated by a human, yes. It'd be like how people appropriate landscapes, ambient sounds, resampled art, etc. in their own work sometimes. (note: this is not a claim on whether using generated shit is actually good or useful to society or to art creation because a lot of the ai-art conversation assumes autuer theory and people as lonely individuals who wish to control or own the entire art process and can't imagine or afford to collaborate with another human).

Art is about the transmission of meaning (symbols, thoughts, feelings, etc.) from at least one person to another. This definition is rigid in actually defining the function of art, but not in what physical objects or acts in this world are art, which is the opposite of what non-marxist normies on the internet and in this thread want where they just want a taxonomy chart of what established things are art rather than analyzing the social relation/function of it.

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 6 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I'm torn on ai art because on the one hand it's just plagiarizing works done by other people, but on the other hand it does give people an outlet to express themselves in their own way, but on the other hand, it's usually just slop, but SOMETIMES it can be nice and cool to look at (at least to me I impress easily). ohnoes

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 6 points 10 hours ago

Much like how Fascism co-opts leftist aesthetics and is the "Socialism of fools" for offering shortcuts and easy answers and a simulacra of a solution to people's problems while ultimately giving them nothing, AI art is the same for art, though obviously I'm being a bit hyperbolic here, I'm not trying to give a moral comparison of the two, or claim that anyone who likes AI art is a fascist, more just in how they affect people personally.

It is the art equivalent of false consciousness, because it is missing a major component of art creation: struggle and self-improvement.

Making mistakes and learning from them is a vital part of learning anything, and when it comes to creative mediums (not just physical art, but writing, music, anything really) it deprives people of that ability. It prevents the people from using it from ever actually improving their skills, leaving them perpetually stunted. If you've ever learned an instrument, you probably know that sort of feeling of getting better at something and feeling good, not because "you can play the guitar" but because you worked hard to learn how to play the guitar. You can't get that from an AI music generator, you can get a quick little tic-tac of dopamine from pressing the "make a thing" button, but it is a poor substitute for actual self improvement and self-expression.

It feels like self expression, but it isn't, it's a shortcut to the final dopamine hit part of self-expression, minus all the friction and effort that comes with actually expressing yourself. And since it is just a short dopamine hit that is easy to get, it ends up addicting and can make actual self-expression feel distasteful, as you need to spend a lot more time and effort to get the same happy brain chemicals.

Expressing yourself requires a willingness to share "yourself" with others and self-discovery. You aren't doing either with AI generated content, it's just a pretty picture that got made after you pressed the pretty picture button. That's not to say that a person can't use AI art as self-expression, but they would need to make it transformative and personal in some way, taking the picture and modifying it themselves, like people do with a collage or remix. Building off of it instead of just using it as is. As is it separates the actual creative process from the prompter, it is a shortcut to feeling the sensation of having "created" something, without the actually struggle of creating something.

I know if you aren't skilled at drawing and you take out pen and paper and draw something it won't look nearly as "good" as AI art, but that is part of the problem, we live in a society that commodifies art, that treats it not as a form of self-expression, but as something we assign value to based on aesthetic, not always monetary value, often social value, so people gravitate towards the thing that lets them skip the actual "self-expression" part and try to jump straight to the "social capital" part. I think this is why almost all people who create AI art do so as a "get rich quick" kind of thing, they see no value in art, no value in self-expression, and only want the reward that comes with being skilled at something without putting the effort in.

Uhh...to try and tie this ramble back to video games; AI art is kind of like if a video game took all the "hard parts" out, removed all the friction. Instead of a tough boss or platforming challenge that you really struggle with and have to learn and improve to beat, it just lets you jump straight to the end of the level as if you beat it, with no actual friction with the game or personal struggle to overcome a challenge. A game that does that probably wouldn't be very mechanically satisfying, because it would deprive you of the core part of "playing" a game. I'm asking you to imagine a game where it shows a platforming challenge and then just warps you to the end of it, or a mean looking boss and then just cuts to the boss being defeated. Maybe it would be kind of funny at first, but the actual "game" part would be non-existent and leave no impact. It wouldn't feel satisfying to complete the game, since you didn't really do anything.

Sorry for the wall of text, I meant to just do a short quick reply and then had a lot more to say on the matter than I thought.

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Who knows, who cares. First you have to define what art is, which you will never come up with a definition that carries widespread agreement and that also isn't gatekeeping what is "creative enough." It's a completely unproductive conversation on the same level of "what constitutes a sandwich." Is a ravioli a sandwich? Is a hot dog a sandwich? Is the Earth a sandwich? Who knows, who cares. It doesn't fucking matter. It's the same conversation except "art" "matters" and "what is a sandwich" doesn't. The only reason art "matters" is because rich people say it does.

I'm not going to get out here and gatekeep what is "creative enough" to be considered "art" and neither should anyone else. There are better things to do than help wealthy capitalists gatekeep "art"

[–] Speaker@hexbear.net 5 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

"Art is what an artisan does". There is nothing obscure about what art is, and to pretend otherwise is to yield the definition of "artisan" to capitalists. It has nothing to do with "creativity" and everything to do with labor. A CNC machine can't produce art, but a machinist can certainly use one to create a new configuration of material that has never occurred previously. An LLM can't produce art, but a person using one can apply their narrative and aesthetic sensibilities in the use of the tool to create something. Likewise a paintbrush, a text editor, a recording device, etc. "High art" is the mystification of the creative impulse we should combat. We should not petulantly refuse to engage with the topic at all while suggesting that "art" as a concept cannot be defined materially.