Roger Ebert gave Cars 2 a 3.5/4 stars
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Gamers yearn for validation so much that some dude with a tiniest bit of authority blurted out a shit argument about what is art 20 years ago and gamers still argue with his ghost
Anything and everything is art
Source: Have an art degree
Caring about what is and is not "art" is reactionary defense of the elite. My mind will not be changed
explain marxist definitions f art that isn't yu just pulling more shit out of your ass
they will steal and plunder your artifacts to hang in their living rooms while saying your culture and people bring nothing of value. They will commission and display our naked bodies while destroying any rights we have associated with then.
there's proletarian utility to demarcation and even if you don't want to philosophize about it we'd start clustering around some consensus positions
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::: spoiler art makes you feel things *farts, wistfully*
too long have we asked "what is art" and have not engaged in our own systems of critical thinking in regards to the art we interact with. To be a critic in the sense that you will define what something means to you, and why something does or doesnt resonate. To view a piece critically, not just accepting it "as is" but also questioning the system in which it was created and what led or informed it's creation. Being a critic is an art in an of itself, your critique of art could resonate with other people, and bolster their own theories of art.
(I hope this doesn't come across as mean spirited. I think your comment is pretty good. But I also needed to get this out of my system)
to be honest i agree with the article where the vast majority of the discourse was driven by gamers seeking validation by attaching their hobby to the prestigious title of "art". i remember people were going buckwild for anything that might indicate games have a positive effect. they improve your reaction time your socal skills your problem solving etc etc. on one hand yes it's juvenile but on the other hand games were still treated as for kids essentially, and by extension gamers were treated as juveniles so why would anyone be shocked that the reaction to it was also juvenile?
also some of the arguments don't make sense to me. im not an art philosopher so i particularly don't care about this stuff but if everything is either art or can be art, i don't see how that is a useful label at all.
Yeah tbh, like i was a child at the time all this went down and i was just using any and all arguments to justify why i should have more time playing with my toys like all kids have since the beginning of time. It's weird and kind of offputting to think about the grown adults that were ig 'on my side' getting so mad that a lifelong art critic didn't think much of their hobby.
Games are art. Not even just in the everything is art way but in that way too.
Maybe it's possible to make games that aren't art too but many are art.
I really wish we as a species could just have a big list of things that are canonically Art so we never had to have this conversation ever again. Here let me start:
Art:
youtube poop
funky patterns your shoes make in the snow
workplace sticky note doodles
Not Art:
anything made in a factory or (inclusive) by a computer
what your weird ass cousin does
dog shit on a sidewalk
feel free to add your own!!! and then print it out, crumple it into Art, and shove it up your ass
Have you ever been to a factory? The production is more skilled and coordinated than any play, the design is more creative than any painting, and at the end of it our lives become better.
It's always fun to see people fawn over craftsmanship as soon as something that is likely made in sweatshop like conditions is promoted as hand made.
i'm not sure i understand your point, please elaborate
People usually complain about bad quality of stuff like furniture and clothing cheaply made in countries like India just based on vibes. But as soon as the same product is promoted as hand made you seen people dream up romantic stories of artisan production.
Last time I've seen that was a small table made up from a wooden rectangle as a plate and a bunch of quare metal tubes welded together and painted. The furniture was advertised as hand made at a very low price around 25€. I'm pretty sure with current technology there is no cheaper way to make something like that by hand with power tools and very low wages. But the marketing advertising it as hand made completely changed the reception, from something made to be as cheap as possible to something artisinal.
oh yeah, the tried and true method of raising a commodities perceived value by lying. I look forward to the day when marketing is treated as the little fraud that it is
I think there is balance marketers need to strike. When working conditions in sweatshops are on the news, you rather have the consumers believe in full automation. When it's not on everyone's mind you can market it as hand made.
those marketers will take whatever balance their owners demand, so if/when workers interests are put first I think marketing will morph into a pseudo public announcements type of thing. current trends have me believing that things are about to become more hyper individualized, preying on specific fears and anxieties. rather than the more general tones we see today (eg "You're too fat" becomes "You're [partner's name] thinks you're too fat" complete with an ai actor that looks like your partner).
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Not every game is art, the same way not every movie is art, and the difference usually comes down to bourgeoisie elitism.
One of my favorite films An Elephant Sitting Still. There are few people that would argue that movie is not art. But sometimes I want to watch Crank 2: High Voltage in 3d. Who fucking cares
What's funny is I think that often my ideas about this mostly come down to "how much do I want to deal with arguing with pedantic angry nerds who have tied their identity to corporate slop"
Is pedantry a form of art?
Some video games are not art. We didn't possess the language to understand this till we had to explain how some video games are just gambling with extra steps. Other video games are art that sucks. Which makes it hard to analyze. Some are sports, which can produce art in the playing but is not itself sufficent to be called art.
Gamers being generally terrible will not be able to verbalize their emotions on thrbmatter unfortunately
there's a lot of things we call "games" that kinda aren't games either, but we've gone full circle and "game" became the prestigious signifier in some places so you get people trying to go "not a game" (derogatory) and then you have people defending that as "yes a game" (supportive) when not giving ground to reactionaries is more important than the more correct "not a game" (positive) where we validate and uphold interactive multimedia projects that don't have rules or objectives or score on their own merits.
Kinetic Novels, 3D scans of museums, simulations, etc all have their own merits and don't need to be "Games" to be valid, just as games in some gestalt whole don't need to be "Art" to be valid.
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