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I get what you're saying but it's sexual assault, no?
Is artificial insemination of livestock sexual assault?
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No.
If I were to artificially inseminate a woman with sperm from a spermbank without her consent, would that be sexual assault?
Unless that women is a literal cow, yes.
right mate, I am sure you can draw any equivalences with bestiality and such yourself, so I won't explicate on them. I just want to say, you don't have to defend the man-made horrors within our comprehension of animal product industries if you don't want to be a vegan. I am not a vegan, because I can't afford to. You can just say "that shit's fucked up".
There is a lot of horrible things in animal agriculture, this one isn't really one of them. I've seen the process with my own eyes ... the cows don't care, they barley notice. I feel more for the people who have to do that professionally.
Even 'Law & Order' series has the understanding broadcasted that raped women can feel sexual pleasure during the rape, does not mean they want the act or consented at any time.
WTF are you even talking about? I've haven't said or implied anything of the like.
There is a lot of horrible things in animal agriculture, this one isn’t really one of them. I’ve seen the process with my own eyes … the cows don’t care, they barley notice. I feel more for the people who have to do that professionally.
I live in a Unincorporated (important to hiding the truth of practices, add rodeo training to all of what we are talking about) & Ag. area (I could never really say it is a community, though before the realization I used to, few care about each other), but I have never seen the practice first hand, no sick pun here.
Just factually be given what the procedure of sticking almost one's entire arm in the cow's body (not for the cows' health is bad enough, but does not stop there) is, even can be understood through Public Media's 'Creatures Great & Small', done a ton there is enough. It is like we cannot avoid the country lifestyle, which supports other Beings abuse like this, since 2000s (even more so accepted, than before).
Ok, but what does this have to do with the law & order comment? Because inseminating a cow isn't sexual assault or rape and I've never implied that the cows feel pleasure from it.
Just that the cows don't really seem to mind it. So I'd question that it even should be considered animal abuse.
See previous post,
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You are the expert on cows expressions & emotions? NO Plus just because we are not looking for their intelligence, does not mean it does not exist. I would say ask a Indian (not a indigenous person, though their believes in other beings are also important to this discussion), but that leads into religions.
Nope, that's why I'm sure as hell not getting behind a cow or horse and putting my hand up any hole. But apparently the people that do that know their emotions well enough to know they aren't about to get a hoof to the forehead, so these experts do exist.
LOL, come on man,
I live in Rodeo & the animals of rodeo country & I can tell you they are beaten down, so much that they have to be hurt to get in rodeo action, that "people" loves so much. Same is applied to all animals industries, you conditioned under those situations, even if you have never interacted (directly or not) with. Same applies to the "people" around it, like the facts always say, cops-military "people" do not have highest suicidal (SP?) rates in The USA (doubt much different everywhere else that other Beings are treated this way) it is "people" in animals meat processing plants.
Yeah, I don't know anything about rodeo, sounds fucked up. But I've never witness any horse or cow beaten down at any of the local farms around the area where I grew up.
I have seen horrible conditions the private farmed animals, not just cows-steers-calves (I stupidly have not mentioned much about them, if result in such processes for in far future selling to meat industries), for profits of slaughtering & eating. Two-examples (private farms, next door let male & female do it naturally, not selling their milk) are just summer thunder storms results in mud up to the area between cows'-steers' ankles & knees. Hoof problems anyone, Around this area private farms with this problem, because destruction of the land, refuse to admit it happens. & I hear some & off & on cows-steers-calves coughing, sneezing & breathing with congestion.
If people lived next door to just these non-industrialized private farm, then they would eventually become Vegan.
Heh, I've seen this said sooooo many times, but I feel like the opposite is true. I grew up in a small village, a few hundred people. We didn't have a farm ourselves but many of my friends did, so I hung out around them a lot.
I don't claim to know everything about the conditions because of that, but I did see someone put their arm inside a cow and horse and my grandma once showed me how to slaughter a rabbit (we ate it later), so it's not like I was sheltered from the more graphic aspects.
Yet, when I look back at the people in my life (and I'm quite old and moved around a lot), all the vegans I know are city people. I'm really not aware of any vegans from my home area, which is much more rural. Being around animals in a farm setting doesn't seem to make people vegan, it desensitises them, at least in my experience.
For context: I'm talking about a rural area in southern Germany, I'm can't really say how things are in other regions.
I have more belief in the average "person", affected by this all.
You were not sheltered & you were indoctored (SP?) into it.
You know one here, for 30-20+-years, do not know the exact year/date. Plus, being sliding into Veganism or even Vegan in such areas is huge negative, believe me, I knew it, when were NOT invade (too strong, not so sure of that) by The Even Richer-Super Riche Economic Classes/Owners as neighbors, not all, but far, far &far too many that ghost us, unless need something & even more important that the county-state-country-world was a lot more hating Veganism & Animals/Beings Rights.
True, for me as well, not lived in Southern Germany for so many decades.
Not easy to witness here either, unless it is jut sick private farming (concuss damage witnessing, what cannot be hidden, water damage, noise-disturbing neighbors' sleep & smells-methane & Etc. environmental pollutions-damages & Etc..), which I have right next door.
Beaten-up is a loaded term, doing such things are not the only violence that happens & degrees of it.
As I have said before we, since I live in it to, can become conditioned, along with all other "Beings & people", affecting the witnessing cruelty. I fight to keep myself as a member of our species.
Keep in mind all the lands (& the Beings on them) that used to be a lot better, in my case my deceased grandparents owned the property next door & had a forest of trees everywhere (one area so much, think it was indigenous & naturally occurring, failed nursery attempt)- protected their nearly untouched & formerly crappy home during worse hurricane, that spun off (on us & more) the worse tornado to hit our state. Heck, before our species dominated the land it was a natural wetland, unfortunately before corner into ever shrinking world celebrated Natural Park.
for some people
Don't need to say that
I think it really depends where you live and what your lifestyle demands of you.
Where I live, meat is on sale a lot at supermarkets, lots of frozen food meals have meat in, and people might not have time to shop for ingredients or even to cook all the time - which i presume is the key to making veganism cheaper.
If you want to convicne people veganism is cheaper then you have to unfortunately (for you) "spell it out for them" - e.g give examples of vegan meals against meat meals, tell us where you're shopping.
Almost every person that are not Vegan just do not get this. Even back in the day, it was more costly to be mainstream eating/not all food homemade Vegan, with unhealthy processed foods industries. Plus the side effects (physical-social & Etc.) of horrible health causes are extremely costly.
Others Beings have rights!!!!! If you believe in god(s), then you are in real trouble after death, let alone those that do this.
Only if we say so. We invented the entire "rights" thing in the first place and we're kind of in charge of handing them out.
Nope, just plain old non-existence after death for me.
1st. I understand why you might believe that wrong, based upon second answer. Everything born-living has Rights, simply because of birth-existence, somethings are not technically birthed into this world. It is more of a reflection upon those do not accept that fact.
By the way, the most powerful thing, outside of universal forces, are all our minds & together they even more powerful.
Well, we just have to agree to disagree. I think nothing had any rights before humans invented the concept. And even now, any right that can't or isn't being enforced is pretty much useless and not more valuable than a wish.
Well, considering that humanity would be totally helpless against universal forces, like a super volcano or a gamma ray burst, it suggest that all our minds are pretty weak in the over-all schema of things.
I disagree with you, obviously, but it can never be accepted, because it is worse any sickness-crimes our species on our species has ever been done. The scale of it is unbelievable & just a sign of species (in general, obviously) sickness.
Yes, the way it should be- especially, with potentially spreading ourselves to other worlds/'Global Warming' extinction event first (keep reading), we are in the way/overpopulation-overdensity-caring very little for The Living Earth & The Living Beings (even members of our own species). Correct me if I a wrong, but some Earth bound universal forces are manipulatable by us.
Bacteria have rights? Are you also against antibiotics?
You think we should be free to do whatever with Bacteria after running-out of protections against problems, because of over use of the "good" ones, COVID-19 & IT's VARANTS & 'The Crazy Don's Administration- Like RFK Jr.?
I was saying yes things, like bacteria, we cannot see need more rights, restrictions on our stupid manipulations of them, against our & Living Earth's & All Living Beings' healths.
Chances are, you would'nt even exist if people believed that bacteria have rights. Just stop.
No they don't.
Are they inseminating a cows with non-steers' sperm from a sperm bank without their consent? I do not think so, as a regular practice, but sometimes greater abuse, I would never be surprised.
If non-human animals cannot consent, isn't all sex between any two non-human animals rape?
If that's the case, isn't this preferable to just letting the animals just rape each other indiscriminately?
Non-human animals aren't moral agents and can't be subjected to the same moral outcomes that humans have. The same way we can't say a hurricane has done something immoral.
Non-human animals are moral patients. When moral agents act immorally upon moral patients, the agents are responsible.
Compare: it’s rape to have sex with someone underage, but two underage people can have sex with each other without it being rape.
That's not why people do it though. It is wrong to make up new justifications for actions after the fact. It exists as an industrial process to get animals pregnant more often than they'd naturally choose to.
And no, not all sex between 2 animals is rape. Animals can consent to sex with other members of their species, animals can't consent to sex with other species because of communication differences (the big one being any animal with a human).
The same way that hunting is more moral than farming, letting animals go at it in a natural way is way better than 1. tricking bulls into ejaculating into tubes and 2. forcibly inseminating cows with that genetic material.
You need to quantify the rate at which animal rape is occuring to justify using this method on the basis of "preventing rape."
Also if you sought to prevent any animal rape, you'd have to seperate them all by sex. As far as I know this doesn't generally happen except for their specific breeding season, and it would be cruel to seperate male and female livestock for their entire existence, just as it's cruel to deny them their natural sexual intercourse. Humans aren't supposed to play God with every facet of an animal's life.
Yes, it is.
It is sexual abuse on Living Beings, let alone sexual.