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Why don't you stop and think for a second why the democrats would decide it's better to risk votes than to stop genocide? Clearly you had to leave practically all online leftist spaces because you're not actually a leftist. So stop cosplaying by saying "we" are all stupid. We're not stupid enough to think a party that refuses votes just so they can continue supporting genocide is willing to help at all.
I'm surprised it took this long to see "I have depicted you as the Liberal wojack and myself as the leftist Chad".
I'm not suggesting they'd be good. Or even adequate. Or even not horrendously fucking shit. But if you don't honestly think they'd be better than the current shitshow then I don't know what to say to you. Lesser evilism may suck, but at least it's - you know - a lesser evil.
You are not American yet you defend American politicians complicity with the genocide . Palestinians do not give a damn about our excuses all they know is that both parties always provide billions in aid for Israel and diplomatic protection
Where am I defending them? I literally pointed out how obvious it should have been to them that many leftists were not going to vote in protest.
But if you have the choice between "more genocide" and "less genocide", and choose to abstain knowing full well that it will result in the "more genocide" option, you're not noble, you're a useful idiot. It's not my fault they always have two shitty choices.
this quote is a defense for democrats
People who voted for both democrats and republicans voted for more genocide. Like I said palestinians do not give a damn about our American trashy country, their trashy political system and there trashy excuses. Are you that stupid that you think Palestinians will say to you thank you my brother/sister for voting for the one who sent 1% less weapons and money when the 99% of the rest of weapons are enough to destroy the rest of Gaza? It's not even possible de determine who would give less since Obama a democrats signed the biggest military aid for Israel.
70% of all structures in Gaza were damaged or destroyed 92% of all housing units destroyed or damaged 88% of school buildings were damaged or destroyed 80% of key water, sanitation, and hygiene (WASH) facilities Only 16 out of 36 hospitals were partially functioning, facing critical shortages of fuel, medicine, and clean water. 75% of agricultural land, including orchards and greenhouses, was damaged or destroyed
This would not happen without Biden and Harris giving them carte blanche. There was zero sign of the cease fire was going under democrats . They knew that Israel is the reason why it didn't happen yet blamed it on Hamas
Both party is giving carte blanche to Israel so like I said Palestinians do not cares about your excuses .
The only for Trump to be worse than Biden and Harris is if all Gaza is destroyed and all Palestinians are ethnically cleansed from the land. Still Trump should rot in jail just like Biden for fueling the genocide
You can't even afford to condemn Harris for supporting Trump terrible plan for Gaza
Yes. Trump was so much the better solution wasnt he. /s
Many of them still seem to be quite proud of their idiotic and childish foot-stamping, too.
And you're still proud of supporting mass murder because the other side also does it. Demand better.
If you didnt vote you supported mass murder also. And the complete obliteration and sale of all palestinian land to the highest bidder. Be better
How do you know that person didn't vote?
Harris was going to let israel completely destroy the strip. Israel was really close to do it.
This happen during Biden
70% of all structures in Gaza were damaged or destroyed 92% of all housing units destroyed or damaged 88% of school buildings were damaged or destroyed 80% of key water, sanitation, and hygiene (WASH) facilities Only 16 out of 36 hospitals were partially functioning, facing critical shortages of fuel, medicine, and clean water. 75% of agricultural land, including orchards and greenhouses, was damaged or destroyed
I did. I voted for Clinton, Biden, Harris in California. Your move.
The time to demand better is literally any other time than when you get to choose between fetid neoliberalism and full throated fascism. The fact that the DNC fucked us all by, among other things, not having a primary doesn't change the fact that Harris would have been preferable, even though she sucks.
I've been told by someone in a similar moral position you can't criticize Democrats during the election then afterwards because they're building up to the next one. Make that make sense.
That is, pardon my language, fucking stupid. We do deserve better from the Democrats, my only stance here is if it keeps someone from voting in the general election they're cutting off their nose to spite their face.
It is, but it's not an isolated case. There's supporters who pretty much hold the Dems on a pedestal and will shout you down to make you not want to vote for them.
Idk what you want from me. I don't like those people, I'm just really tired of living in fascism and don't like the idea of revolution. Not accusing you of doing this here but the flip side of this is that people in these discussions tend to treat me like I'm the king of the Democrats and am personally responsible for them running shitty candidates. Unfortunately I'm just some guy who thinks you have to play it as it lies. Like, in the context of a general election, where you actually do have two defined choices, what does "demanding better" actually mean? I can see I'm rambling now so I'm gonna stop. I gotta go to work anyway but this shit is just so frustrating to me.
The issue is that when they're up for re/election is the best time to actually grill them and hold them to task. They can say all kinds of platitudes and promises in the primaries to win over the party conventions. But we should be criticizing and hold their proverbial feet to the coals even more during that time. Most are just tired of them assuming our vote without doing anything to actually acquire it. There's no reason or time they shouldn't be held to task and the argument is commonly stopped on "Well do you want X to win" as it was in the W. Bush days and during Obama's elections as president. It's a tactic that works so long and so we should demand something better of them than they're not as bad during it as well the primaries.
Demand better instead of making excuses. I voted for her, I hated it but I did. Sorry I didn't Vote Blue No Matter Who hard enough to make her weak campaign actually have a chance to win.