this post was submitted on 13 Feb 2026
57 points (100.0% liked)
memes
23673 readers
339 users here now
dank memes
Rules:
-
All posts must be memes and follow a general meme setup.
-
No unedited webcomics.
-
Someone saying something funny or cringe on twitter/tumblr/reddit/etc. is not a meme. Post that stuff in /c/slop
-
Va*sh posting is haram and will be removed.
-
Follow the code of conduct.
-
Tag OC at the end of your title and we'll probably pin it for a while if we see it.
-
Recent reposts might be removed.
-
No anti-natalism memes. See: Eco-fascism Primer
founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Tangentially related hot take but Sam Vimes is a class traitor (bad) and Carrot is a class traitor (good). Both are still cops.
Carrot might technically be a royal, but his actual class background is proletarian and functionally an ethnic minority, at least within the context of Ankh-Morpork, so in practical terms he's as much a class traitor as Vimes and in a similar way, for all that Vimes is objectively a piece of shit who is at best a lesser evil compared to much of the setting's elites, while Carrot is fundamentally a well-meaning true believer who's likable and earnestly trying to improve the material conditions of the city and make the police somewhat less shit.
Oh fuck, Carrot is just Judge Dredge except charismatic. Maybe he wouldn't nuke another city to save Ankh-Morpork the way Dredd did in the Apocalypse War, but he really is just an affable Judge Dredd: a fanatic true believer with a layered belief of the law and then his own ideals atop it. Carrot would definitely say that murder is a crime even where there's no law, and he'd ignore non-murder crime if he wasn't legally on duty in a jurisdiction. He'd probably even arrest himself for a petty noise violation out of consideration for his neighbors.
His father was a mine supervisor (which they literally call king) so I'd argue he was from a more managerial and therefore petty bourgeoisie background. Also since we're talking about context, we should probably address the inherent idealist nature of Discworld in the form of a physical meta element Narrativium which renders material analysis kind of obsolete since Carrot suffers from what is essentially Royal Lysenkoism.
Wow, that's true. Things in discworld always happen because of what kind of story they make. Like a burning wheel always rolling away from any accident. I used to like that about discworld, because it nicely parodies all those tropes. But you're right it can be problematic, if it's used to inform political takes. And that is absolutely happening in the watch and nightwatch books: people are just inherently like this, they need a strong hand governing them, machiavellianism is the lesser evil, revolutionaries are misled and dangerous, revolutions need to be managed and railroaded into save tracks, slow little reform is the best you can hope for. It's plain socdem idealism.
Edit: Also, if an aristocrat displays basic human decency and a willingness to get their hands dirty, they are somehow a saint for this and excused from all the exploitation they still do through "passive" income. But that's just Terry Pratchett being British.