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Like, yeah, they can 'get away with' ending soft power. They can 'get away with' extrajudicial killings. They're operating off of pure machismo right now. They're getting drunk on their vices. They're stripping masks where masks wouldn't be advised to be stripped. I feel like I understand now that Fascism is, in part, an expression of weakness. They wouldn't be doing this unless they were scared. It's too volatile. It feels both too late on a power-level and too early on a popular-level. Never mind the ticking time bomb that is AI data centers. It feels like, and I'm sure this is cope, there is a timer on their ability to run the circus much longer.

My first instinct here is to doubt myself, intellectual pessimism and all. In that vein, maybe this is just revolutionary optimism, but we're at the point where it feels like there is a palpable anger brewing in the basement. I don't know. Maybe Palantir works as an anti-communist panopticon and we just death spiral forever. I don't want to lose hope.

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

ICE has been openly kidnapping minorities for nearly a year, and yet you do not see any meaningful resistance to stop them.

We just saw a women get murdered while opposing them, and the entire world is condemning it while the Administration tries to spin the murderer as a hero, and the Christian Mom protester as a domestic terrorist who deserved to die. Now the whole world is angry at MAGA, including many on their own side.

That's a pretty meaningful resistance. MAGA is slipping fast, and the fall is starting. One way or another, they are going to come out of the Midterms in bad shape. In fact, things are going so bad, they have so many retirements, that the House may actually flip BEFORE the Midterm. Then the Dems will control investigative committees with full subpoena and arrest powers. The Dems may not have done much during the Biden administration, but they did put Bannon and Ron Varo in prison for defying subpoenas.

Of course, Trump will pardon them, but that only strengthens the eventual court case that he was using his pardon power to tamper with witnesses and cover up his crimes, and then ALL of his pardons can be annulled by Congress as illegitimate criminal activities, and all those people - the Jan 6 Traitors, the ex-prez of Honduras, his criminal white collar conman buddies, etc., will all go back to prison.

We could make all that happen, and more, if we can force Congress to do their jobs this time around, and not expect them to wait for MAGA to have some sort of moral epiphany, which seems to have been the strategy until now.

[–] john_brown@hexbear.net 21 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Then the Dems will control investigative committees with full subpoena and arrest powers.

How in the world could you believe this? How have the scales not fallen from your eyes? What consequences were there for the targeted assassination of Michael Reinoehl by the DHS? Biden had four years to even do a rote investigation to make it look like the Dems care and they didn't even bother to do that. The Democrats are not on your side and they never ever will be. They are on the side of the wealthy. ICE isn't a problem for the wealthy.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today -3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The Dems learned a hard lesson from the fecklessness of the Biden Administration, and they know how furious the voters are at them. Right now we still have Jeffries and that cowardly, simpering little bitch Schmuck Schumer as leaders, but if Dems take over, they are unlikely to last.

IF the Midterms Elections happen, it is very likely to be a bloodbath, and a lot of new Dems are going to come into Congress, perhaps even replacing some of the weak Dems from the past. They will enter Congress with real political capital and power behind them, as well as the righteous indignation of the voters, and the Dems leadership will have to listen, or be replaced, which should happen anyway. These people have already proven they're cowardly losers. Go sit down, and STFU.

The next time Democrats get power, they'd better use it against MAGA, and use it ruthlessly, or else. Right now, Revolution isn't happening because we still think we have a chance under the Democrats, but if they fail again, and especially if they fail deliberately, then the Democratic Party will be in as much trouble with the American people as MAGA, and without any party to defend them, the American people will have no choice but to defend ourselves.

[–] john_brown@hexbear.net 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

The Dems learned a hard lesson

I would love to hear the actions or statements by the Democrats that led you to believe this. From where I sit, there has been no change, nothing even coming close to acknowledging their past grievous errors, and certainly not a single whisper of any plans to do anything about this shit. They support ICE, they support kidnapping Maduro and are just a little bit peeved they didn't get to put their signatures on it, they support economic warfare against China and Russia, they like bombing Iran. They're all just Republicans with a civility fetish.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today -2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Hard to respond when you are just making shit up:

They support ICE, they support kidnapping Maduro and are just a little bit peeved they didn't get to put their signatures on it...they like bombing Iran.

That's really dumb, and has no basis in reality. This part:

they support economic warfare against China and Russia

Is true, and we should keep economic pressure on them. Nothing wrong with that at all.

Moving on, this request:

I would love to hear the actions or statements by the Democrats that led you to believe this.

A few months into MAGA 2.0, I saw an interview with Adam Schiff, who I generally respect. He's an old school Democratic weakling, but he's shown a bit of willingness to fight back (along with Raskin), so I want to encourage that inclination. Anyway, he was asked about the MAGA blitzkrieg of EOs and illegal actions, and he was very contrite in saying that they underestimated America 's willingness to handle "bold action," and MAGA clearly demonstrated that it was possible. It was clear that HE, at least, had a change of heart, and I suspect he's not alone. He knows they made mistakes, and the American voters are going to take it out on them at the polls. I doubt they will proceed with the same strategies, or they will get their asses kicked even worse the next time around.

And as I have said in other posts, it isn't about what they've done in the past, which is worse than shameful, it's been political malpractice, nearly to a criminal degree. It's about the future, with new blood, like those we've seen come on over the last few years, like Frost, Slotkin, AOC, Smallwell, etc. Then there are the new rising stars like Kelly and Walz, who nobody thinks is going to back down.

The point is that there is every reason to believe that the incoming Democratic freshman Congressional Reps, and hopefully some Senators, too, will be Democratic Warriors. They wouldn't make it out the primaries if they weren't. This time around, people aren't going to be trying to elect a "Good Democrat," or vote against a bad candidate, they will be voting for Democratic Warriors who will aggressively take the fight to MAGAs and stand toe-to-toe with them. Those Old School Democrat Weenies who have fed us to the wolves, and manage to squeak out another term, better get with the program, or get stomped.

[–] john_brown@hexbear.net 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Is true, and we should keep economic pressure on them. Nothing wrong with that at all.

Oh, you're an imperialist. No big surprise then that your analysis and beliefs are all complete fantasies.

Moving on, holy shit, you're hilarious

MAGA clearly demonstrated that it was possible

So one single guy said doing more is possible, not that he will pursue it, and you bought that?

I'm not going to keep this up because you're a simple rube. The Dems will do nothing and you will keep voting for them as they shed more and more of the mask until one day you'll wake up and just be an outright fascist. Maybe you'll be doing the roman salute at a DNC convention in ecstatic joy with all the other vote blue no matter who fascists. Either way, it's clear you're not willing to grapple with reality. I hope you have a terrible day, you sucker.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Imperialist? Because I recognize the perfectly normal competitive economic relationship between nations? You think competing economically with a country means we are Imperialists? Does that mean we shouldn't pursue economic arrangements with Canada, Mexico, Europe, Japan, India, etc, because it would make us Imperialist? That sounds like a MAGA America First strategy. Seriously DUMB take.

And the "one single guy" was just the example I used, but it is by no means the only one (AOC, Crockett, Smallwell, Frost, Stefanik, Slotkin, etc.), but since I only offered one example that PROVES MY POINT, you think it allows you to move the goalposts, and once again disingenuously misconstrue my argument. Weak. Very weak.

Schiff isn't just "one single guy," he is an important member of Democratic Leadership, and a potential replacement for Jeffries. He is also respected by his colleagues AND voters. When he goes on Meet The Press, or some other Sunday morning political show, he isn't just offering his own personal opinion, he is there on behalf of the Democratic leadership, and is speaking for the entire Democratic party. THAT is the reason that the show puts him on in the first place. They know he is speaking for the party.

You're calling me a Rube, but you don't understand the slightest thing about how politics is played, completely leaning on whatever political science nonsense you learned from some Community College professor, probably some local MAGA, while passing the bong with your equally genius pals.

And BTW, I will NEVER be defending the Democratic Party, at least the past party. I have been an Unafilliated Independent since I first registered to vote in 1977. I have never been a fan of the Democratic Party, and didn't even vote for a Democrat until Gore in 2000 (I didn't vote Republican, either).

My speculations are based on historical precedent, based on my own education and degrees in history, as well as closely observing politics since the 60s, watching the Vietnam War, and hoping it ended before I got drafted. Politics has been personal to me since before I was 10 years old, and I know what I'm talking about, not from some philosophy class and discussions with my stoned buddies, who know just enough to be dangerous, but from actually LIVING it.

And another BTW, I like how you attack on the "Imperialism" thing, but completely ignored the fact that I called you out for lying about Democrats approving of kidnapping Maduro, supporting ICE, and approving of the bombing of Iran, and you just let it go by, to go on the offense about Imperialism. Show me where Democrats have supported ICE, or wanted to "sign off" on the Maduro kidnapping (WTF?). Those are two of the dumbest takes I've ever heard. Really ridiculous assertions with absolutely no basis in fact. Hard cringe, Junior. You should be seriously embarrassed, and a person with the slightest self-awareness would delete their posts. But I doubt that's you.

So get back to class, live a little life, and come back when you actually KNOW something real.

[–] m532@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Is this what they call "copypasta material"?

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 points 4 months ago

Ooh, edgy Internet lingo. Groovy.

[–] john_brown@hexbear.net 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Not surprising. You should learn, and add Critical Thinking Skills as well.

[–] john_brown@hexbear.net 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 0 points 4 months ago

Won't load, learn to use the Internet too.

[–] PowerLurker@hexbear.net 10 points 4 months ago

Is true, and we should keep economic pressure on them. Nothing wrong with that at all.

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[–] Inui@hexbear.net 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

The fierce Democratic Warriors like:

*Slotkin - A former CIA operative heavily funded by AIPAC who believes Israel 'has a right to defend itself'

*Smallwell - sponsored legislation that made it illegal to boycott Israeli goods and businesses

*AOC - has voted twice, once in July after the genocide had been ongoing and in the spotlight, to keep funding the Iron Dome that allows Israel to conduct their heinous actions without fear of retaliation

I'll give you Frost since he's changed his views, but it sounds like you don't really care if the US war machine keeps destroying the rest of the world, as long as they turn the dial down on their own citizens a little bit. In a just society, they would be in the same jail block as the current administration.

same-as-it-ever-was

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm concerned about the very real existential threat facing THIS country. Sorry about everywhere else, but our own house is on fire.

[–] john_brown@hexbear.net 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today -1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

No, I'm not, you Putz. I've got Nazi Zombies on my doorstep trying to get in, I'm concentrating on my own country right now. Whoever commits to fully crushing and purging MAGA gets my vote. I don't care what they think about anything else. When MAGA is handled, we can then afford to address the issues of other nations.

Sick of trolls trying to get us to take our eye off the ball.

[–] m532@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Even worse, you are a neoliberal. An enemy of humanity.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

You obviously don't know what a neo liberal is.

[–] john_brown@hexbear.net 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] john_brown@hexbear.net 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I bet being wrong all the time gets old

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

WTF? You expect me to defend these fucking losers? I hate Jeffries and Schmuck Schumer as much as Trump. They're just Shadow MAGAs. They are 50% responsible for MAGA being in power. When the Dems take back power, these two cowardly bitches need to be investigated as much as the MAGA criminals.

You are really bad at this.

[–] john_brown@hexbear.net 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Defending future democrats while hating the current democrats is the dumbest thing I've read today

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's called Hope & Change. Obama won an election with it, I'd like to see someone lead with it.

Right now, while there is still a glimmer of a chance to get out of this, we need to remain optimistic about every path to success we can imagine. At least one of them might work.

[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (22 children)

Dawg what fucking world do you live on? Have you seen the Democratic leadership? Schumer was chumming it up with Rubio YESTERDAY. They are not going to hold anyone accountable.

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[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

the House may actually flip BEFORE the Midterm.

Then the Dems will control investigative committees with full subpoena and arrest powers.

then ALL of his pardons can be annulled by Congress as illegitimate criminal activities,

the Jan 6 Traitors, [et al,] will all go back to prison

Go for the football again, Charlie Brown. I'm sure Lucy will let you kick it this time.

What did the Democrats do during the Biden administration (or the Obama administration, for that matter) that permanently took away powers that the Republicans had been building, such that Trump couldn't just reinstate them with the stroke of a pen upon election? Literally nothing. The country is backsliding from neoconservatism into fascism and there's nothing that an aesthetic and media-savvy Democrat contingent will do about it.

The fact that you've been ~~politically~~ electorally active for 48 years and still haven't figured out that Democrats are compromised defeatists and controlled opposition in the age of neoliberalism is not something to brag about, in fact it's extremely embarrassing. Most intelligent progressives figure it out within a couple election cycles.

The progressive activist wing is at most 20% of the Democratic Party, and they have none of the money, because the money comes from the tech/pharma/banking interests that the party ultimately represents. The Democrats as an oligarchic party will outlive you as a human, and they will possibly outlive America as we know it.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

First of all, let's forget the Biden administration. He could have become one of the top 10 presidents, but instead he'll be ensconced in the bottom 10, among those who dithered as the nation moved toward Civil War. IF the Dems ever get back in power, they should blacklist every member of the Biden administration. You had your chance, and you blew it badly. You're fired.

20% is a lot, and it is almost certainly going to grow after the Midterms. The Tea Party started controlling the Republican party with less than that, partially based on the fact that the rest of the party recognized that the Tea Party was the only growing sector of the party.

That's the situation that the Progressives are in. They should start throwing their weight around, based on the fact that they are the only active sector of their party, and their influence is certain to grow in November.

Money isn't an issue, the money will follow the power. Besides, Progressives are attracting a lot of support from Independent voters, and regular people. Bernie has been a powerhouse, while refusing corporate money, and relying primarily on small private donors.

The money issue only highlights the BIGGEST problem in our election system. Campaign Finance Reform is the issue from which literally EVERY other issue flows.

Before we can address corporate corruption in government, we need to prohibit ALL campaign contributions of any kind. Campaigns need to be fully financed by the Federal government, shortened to a 90 day campaign season (these people should be working the jobs we elected them to do, not gallivanting around the country pursuing their own ambitions), and tightly controlled, including campaign language and promises. Lying, propaganda, etc. will not be tolerated, and candidates can be cut off from Federal campaign funds, and kicked out of the race for violations.

Campaigning to represent American citizens is a serious matter, and the process should be held to an extraordinarily high standard. The system we have now filters out the best, and promotes the most outrageous, and we end up with idiots in charge, almost exclusively. I'm not that smart, but I'm pretty sure I'm smarter than any of the presidents that I've lived under for most of my life, and I'm POSITIVE I'm smarter than ANY of the Republicans. The only one who might have been smarter was Jimmy Carter.

I'd love to be on Jeopardy with Trump and GW Bush next to me.

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 4 points 4 months ago

I think you're being delusionally optimistic about the ability to grow the progressive representation in the government. We got a boost to the DSA in the first Trump term, and the Squad, which maxed out at 9/435, that's 2%. The Congressional Progressive Caucus went from 68 to 96 in two elections, and then likewise plateaued. The path to victory there is something seven (7) times that jump. I think less than 4% of the electorate are socialists, and I doubt as much as 25% are progressives. But let's set that aside.

The money issue only highlights the BIGGEST problem in our election system. Campaign Finance Reform is the issue from which literally EVERY other issue flows.

I agree with something synonymous to this on a core level: money pervades and corrupts everything. There's just context that makes my structural analysis different.

Power follows money, money does not follow power quite as much. Economic power is the basis for political power, and always has been throughout the history of civilization.

America has always been an oligarchy. It inherited that orientation from its colonial precursor, its government was deliberately set up that way by the founders, and it has found ways to remain oligarchic, from the resistance to Reconstruction to the Red Scare to Dominion ballot machines and expanding primary seasons today. We may have had a brief few decades (from universal adult suffrage and the New Deal) where it got a little bit less oligarchic, then found ways to return.

The rich and powerful will never allow you to simply vote away their wealth and power. As soon as they see what you're aiming to do, they will put more safeguards in against what you're doing. This is why the largest upheavals in American history (Revolutionary War, Civil War) were largely two different elevated classes contesting for dominance.

There is no incentive for entrenched congresscritters to approve of campaign finance reform that actually works instead of making the whole thing more byzantine. You are trying to fight corporate interests by flinging yourself against a wall propped up by corporate interests and also the American political inertia. How do you expect you'll make it happen by working within the existing system, with a large majority of voters who are centrist to reactionary, and who have vested interests in preserving the global functions of capitalism?