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Religions aren't something to be argued about with the tools of empiricism. The mythologies of religions are non-provable, that's why they are also called faith. If someone religious tries to "prove" the statements of their religion to someone who doesn't believe in them not only are they misguided but also most likely not too sharp, since they can't recognize the utter futility of what they are doing. It's futile not only because they have no chance of convincing their talking partner, but also because there is no way to prove anything about religion.
That doesn't mean people can't or shouldn't have a religion by the way, it just means what I said, that there is no way to argue about religion empirically and so you shouldn't.
With that said I do also think this is a bit of a strawman. I'm sure there are people who despite the (in my opinion) immensely obvious stupidity of the aforementioned behavior do behave like that, but I mostly only hear about this type of people when hardcore atheists (to whom the same applies by the way, you also can't disprove faith and someone whose sole basis for reality isn't empirical observation can't be convinced by you trying to disprove it) parodize it.
In the end I think the problem with the conversation depicted is that on a logical level it's the same as two religions arguing with eachother. They have completely different ways in which they define reality, so there is no way to come to a common understanding of it by arguing. You won't convince someone about the existence of God who only believes in what can be proven by experiment and you won't convince someone of the non-existence of God who believes in God because they don't have that same way of defining reality. Doing so either way would very closely mirror for example a Buddhist being convinced to become a Christian.
Well said. There's also something about a certain type of atheist who confidently voices their refusal to believe in anything unless proven with empirical evidence, that I personally find mildly irritating.
I appreciate critical thinking and I'm quite skeptical myself, but it's that confident certainty, that nothing that hasn't been proven scientifically is real, that slightly irks me.
It's a mindset that seems to conveniently omit the possibility of future scientific discoveries and 'unknown science', and comes off in some as a somewhat smug, arrogant attitude that, somewhat ironically, can often be found in the blindly religious.
Exactly, the experience of religion is felt internally and through community. As someone who went Christian -> atheist -> pagan, I can say I do understand both sides. Atheists are right to say that without evidence religion shouldn't have any power over non-believers. Religious people are right to say that for some people religion serves a role that would be missed without it.
On issues of religion, even as someone who's been pagan longer than she was an atheist I generally side with the atheists. I grew up watching Christians try to prove Christianity despite our denomination (catholicism) having the doctrine of non-overlapping magesteria, which basically says that anything science can prove belongs to science and where religion contradicts it must be taken as metaphor or flowery language. I'm far better served by freedom from religion than freedom to use religion as a cudgel, just as all minority religions are.