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[–] Dojan@pawb.social 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Xenophobia knows no bounds. It's not even just "ew brown people" because people were like this about the Finns as well. It's just stupidity, and stupidity is everywhere.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

You know, what is stupid is talking about this when you have no experience of it yourself, and you clearly think any bad opinions about immigration is xenophobia. That is actual stupidity man. You dont have experience and you dont think. Could there be other reasons than skin color? Yeah, lots of reasons. Culture, economics, crime, and so on. The things i actually wrote in my comment.

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 1 points 24 minutes ago (1 children)

Right, I even said "it's not even just 'ew brown people'", so I'm not sure what you're arguing over.

without having a job, income, and you dont have to learn the language

...and that's the fault of the migrant? We have some flawed social programmes. I won't argue that SFI isn't rubbish. I've dated two Iranians, SFI is very poorly structured and needs more work done to function well. Students can excel there, absolutely, but it's not exactly set up in a way to make this happen.

I'm not sure why exactly you list job and income, the two tend to be intrinsically linked.

Oh and here is some money too so you can stay at home.

This also means that the state has a constant check on your finances, and you report monthly to Försäkringskassan/Socialen. It's not exactly a fun experience, and nothing you flaunt, you'll never get rich or live large on this money.

Also, you're aware that you as a Swedish citizen have the ability to do this too, right? Just get rid of all your assets, quit your job, and when you're living below subsistence minimum go grovel at your local socialtjänst.

And here is an apartment.

Again, as a Swede you have the ability to get this, too, you just need to become homeless first. Give it a shot, if you think the experience is so great. There are social programmes for this, and there are requirements for people that end up in these places.

For example, regular immigrants don't just get an apartment. Asylum seekers might get a place to live while their application is processed, and once that's been approved they'll either be assigned a place to live, or get assistance finding a place to live. A lot of this is done on a case-by-case basis, they might for example already have family already established here.

And now we are building mosques.

And what is the problem here? We have freedom of religion here in Sweden, for better and for worse.

Mosques are financed through private financing, generally a tithe collected from the members, grants from the state (which again, if you're in a religious group you can apply for this too), and private backing from other third-party actors.

The mosques don't broadcast adhan either, and I don't think that's something that would gain any general approval here so I don't see it happening.

Crime is typically a social problem. Sure, some people are twisted and those that don't have the contacts required to end up as successful tech-bro CEOs will go about abusing others in a less socially-approved manner, but it's not a problem inherent to migration.

It takes time to build functioning social programmes, and ours are never allowed to grow into anything functional when our government keeps flip-flopping between the milquetoast left government with the Ayn Rand party making the calls while the nazis set the budget, and the yee-haw capitalist nazi coalition dismantling everything every four years.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 1 points 6 minutes ago

Im not blaming immigrants, im blaming sweden for this.

SFI is horrible and at least you have managed to see that.

Then you say that i can also be on social wellfare if I want. Yes, but thats not what I want or anyone living her wants. We want a country where people are qualified to get jobs, not live on wellfare. You probably agree on that too. You have hundreds of thousands of immigrants not getting jobs because they dont learn the language and they are content with getting money from the tax paying population. They dont want to have a shitty job, and rather live on wellfare, which makes perfect sense from their point of view. I would do the same.

Like I said, im not blaming immigrants. I blame Sweden for accepting millions of people and not having any plan to make them productive citizens of the country. And also for being extreamly gullible and stupid, not having any idea of what kind of crime would come with it. Being completely shocked when these people dont want to become Swedish citizens and talk Swedish. Why should they?

And about the mosques, this leads to a culture shift in the country, where islam is getting a foothold. You say for better, for worse. Its for worse. Sweden has a long tradition of human rights, women rights, and seeing people as equal. Muslim countries do not. Obviously.

You are not going to agree with me on this, but at least realize not liking immigration doesnt have to be "i dont like your skin color". Thats a dumb argument. Its about so much more than that.