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[–] miz@hexbear.net 47 points 1 month ago (2 children)

his credentials were pretty bad before any of this came out. to me these takedowns are not survivable:

[–] Soot@hexbear.net 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I'm not gonna stand by everything the guy ever said. But he is 97 years old for lord's sake. chomsky-yes-honey He was born just a decade after the fall of Tsarist Russia.

Nobody stays the same over 100 years. Chomsky's been getting noticeably more inconsistent in his actions and statements since like.. the year 2000, which is when basically all these criticisms are from.

I'm not saying 'ignore all old people', but I am saying people change enormously over half a century and we shouldn't judge them as if they are exactly the same person they were. To start picking apart the consistency of the ramblings or actions of a ninety-seven year old as if he's still an on-the-ball scholar just feels a bit unnecessary.

[–] SnakeEyes@hexbear.net 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Chomsky seems to be consistent in his exceptionalism and imperialism

[–] Soot@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Howso? A lot of his work and speeches pre-turning 70 seem to focus on how the US (and the west more generally) has no justification for any of its wars and criticising its other forms of imperialism.

[–] SnakeEyes@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

A lot of Chomsky's interviews or the ones I've seen deal with how freedom of speech is above everything, how violently opposing war is irresponsible, how the best way is to talk it out and put the responsible ghouls in charge.

He demeans the violent demonstration against the invasion of Vietnam.

It's the same with reformists that try to redirect the anger and indignation into impotent ballots

He can proclaim be against war but if he bashes those who oppose it through any kind of disruption, I will still call him someone that perpetuates the empire

Edit: it's early in the morning and I'm rambling so I'll probably elaborate latter during the day

[–] Soot@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

EDIT: Not actually interested in defending him on re-think. My whole point is just that he's scatterbrained and not the same thought figure he was.

[–] ghost_of_faso3@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Nobody stays the same over 100 years. Chomsky’s been getting noticeably more inconsistent in his actions and statements since like… the year 2000, which is when basically all these criticisms are from.

Not really, people have been calling him out since the early 90s for hanging out with the head of the CIA and being a warhawk shitlib

[–] Soot@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Well, yes really, almost all the shared criticisms are of post-2000 events.

And I agree that stuff is bad. I'm not saying he is completely defensible pre-2000, but he was much more politically consistent then than now.

[–] ghost_of_faso3@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 month ago

I mean even before the 90s I could mention how most of his sociological output is just re framing already existing sociology in a manner that defangs its revolutionary potential - hes been ribbing on Steven Lukes and shit his entire career.

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Cambodian genocide denial and Khmer Rouge apologia was also very bad, but unfortunately a lot of big leftist figures at the time engaged in it. It was one of those events where a lot of respected left wing figures got it extremely wrong in real time.

[–] SnakeEyes@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

This is the consequence of putting political alignments in a one dimensional chart, Malcolm x, Robert Williams, Assata Shakur, John Brown, Platner, Chomsky, AOC, all of them are leftists

[–] ghost_of_faso3@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So is Joespeh Biden, Tony the tiger Blair and hitlers left toe apparently

[–] nomy@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The term you're thinking of is moderate neoliberalism.

[–] ghost_of_faso3@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 month ago

None of these are in 'The Left' unless you include people who are far right but occasionally do socially liberal things as leftists

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I mean more "far left" people like Samir Amin also engaged in Khmer Rouge apologia. It was a pretty big failure by a lot of communists. There are still Maoists to this day that do this.

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] SnakeEyes@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago

Leftism is such a purposely nebulous term, as long as you have one slightly decent take you are a leftist, if you think that a broken arm shouldn't force you to declare bankruptcy then you are a leftist even if you are pro invasion, same with pro LGBT right but you are a mouth foaming racist, see Bernie Sanders