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Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Teachers/comments/1p48x0x/can_anyone_confirm_are_modern_students_really/
Turns out that capitalism in decay produces an environment which is actively harmful to human growth and flourishing. Who could have predicted that?
I have long thought that people shouldn't be allowed to be parents and this just really reaffirms that, as Americans push more and more parenting onto school workers anyway. It just blows my mind that something as important as teaching new people how to be people is just left up to people with random (and generally no) qualifications and how staggeringly widespread what is basically child abuse even from parents who aren't even necessarily abusive. There's a lot of knowledge necessary to even attempt to raise a kid properly.
for all of human history people who probably shouldnt be parents have been parents and have been teaching people how to be people for better or worse. the condition of modern children isnt en masse the fault of the parents. there’s a lot more in play here. being a parent is also the most basic human function, not even right but biological function
I didn't say this was a new thing
i didn't say you said it's a new thing, i said it's not a new thing so we can't act like modern problems are to be blamed on suddenly there being a bunch of parents who aren't well equipped to raise kids.
what does "people shouldn't be allowed to be parents" even mean?
It means that it says, I think it's wack what people are essentially given godlike authority over the lives and development of their children. So you have a biological drive to procreate, that's cool dawg, that doesn't mean you should be a parent. People put less thought into having and raising children than they put into training dogs and that's not saying anything great about the general state of pet ownership either.
Nobody needs to tell me how requiring people to have some sort of training or qualifications to have kids could (and would) lead to eugenecist bullshit so I dunno I guess the only solution is to let people have whatever kids they want and take all the kids and raise them communally by people who are paid a shitload and expressly trained and motivated for that purpose. But woops I guess that can lead to issues like Canada's genocidal boarding schools
I don't care about hearing arguments against this but I also don't expect to hear one that isn't rhetorically similar to 99% of conservative shit appealing to tradition or whatever nonsense. Like 90% of people on this site have extreme issues with their relationships with their parents and im just saying it could all be avoided by simply not having parents!
im gonna keep it real with you comrade, i think your view on this is coming from some sort of personal issues that need to be addressed with your parents or in therapy rather than extrapolating that to "people shouldn't be allowed to be parents". has nothing to do with tradition or conservatism lol
give an argument for parenthood by random people qualified only by being able to and consenting to sex with each other (who might not even want kids) that doesn't boil down to "it's nature/natural/tradition/the way it's always been," tell me how it's an active good for society to essentially have children be raised by children being raised by children in an unbroken line of fucked up parental "mistakes" that could be avoided by not leaving parenting up to flimsy feel good wishy washy "oh we're just born to be parents" bullshit
let me just ignore the like dozen comrades I've seen on here very vocally talk about their conservative brainrotted parents and their tribulations with them because it's gotta be just me, every trans person on here whose parents view them in unspeakably evil terms are definitely benefitted by having such a close and interpersonal relationship with their parents. Of my 5 close coworkers in the back, 3 have similar severe issues (one has "dad left the family" issues) and the other two are old white men who I'm sure have similar issues on top of fucking up their own children with their own issues
maybe instead of having a society who needs professional therapy for their fucked up parental relationships we should have professional parenting and skip the generation after generation after generation of trauma
i love that parenting is such a difficult task and here you are saying "um no actually you need less training than a forklift driver and this is good actually, go to therapy"
for everything you're typing, it basically boils down to "nobody should be allowed to be parents because i didn't like mine and lots of people didn't like theirs either".
ok. lots of people do like their parents, do have good relationships with them, and are love and taught well by them. lots of parents do put in the effort and time and care to raise someone and teach them
yeah like i said this is something that should be worked out in therapy comrade.
cool story enjoy your idealism
lol that's not idealism. just because you have a bad relationship with your parents doesn't mean people shouldn't be allowed to be parents. if you said this shit to someone from a loving family who respects and loves their parents and has those feelings reciprocated do you think they would think you're saying anything worth considering?
you also can't take what is basically a eugenicist position and then say "but anybody who calls it eugenics is x y or z".
i notice a lot of "my personal problem is actually a problem with everybody else" here. with that being said, i guess this is a good time to disengage
For most of human history, the community raised the children and biological parents had no special powers or responsibility (or ownership). The people most involved in raising kids would be—shockingly—not be ones the community thinks is bad at raising children
Then the family was invented and class society following that
Anyone about to argue with me, just imagine me raising a kid. Gottem!
you seem to know this kind of logic is usually used in excuse of eugenics towards minority populations so why are u still repeating it here?
obvious solutions (note, calling them obvious doesn't equal calling them correct) to a problem having problems with themselves does not mean the first problem is not an issue and that other alternatives should not be sought
Just because a white supremacist govt would use child licensure or whatever to do eugenics doesn't mean that the status quo of "anyone anywhere have a kid and do whatever you want to them as long as it isn't explicit abuse (that anyone with an interest can actually prove or stop)" is itself good
It's wild to me that literally raising an entire person is such a monumental task with grave consequences for error but yall are like "nah dude just anybody can do it, hell yeah"
also it's funny how reaction to this opinion imo ends up supporting nuclear family bullshit because you can't imagine a child rearing system that doesn't involve 1-2 parents related to the kid (and you're seemingly accusing me of reaction while upholding this traditionalism)
Anyway whatever i'm going to keep knowing I'm right as almost quite literally every person I know has in some way been traumatized by their parents, whether they were intentionally cruel or not.
im not upholding anything. i agree the nuclear family does a lot of harm towards people, but you're not pushing towards abolishing the nuclear family by going off on some self righteous screed about how horrible yours and others parents are, again trying to control who gets to have children is just going to be used to push eugenics every single time.
i am especially suspicious because the original reddit thread this is about is filled with comments shitting on children and their parents for being poor and "lazy", because the kids arent being raised "right" by the parents, you really dont understand how you're also pushing forward the same kind of reactionary thought?
The abolition of parenthood isn't a reactionary thought though but thanks for thinking that
There's no solution that isn't just rebranded eugenics. The closest is some form of communal parenting where the development of the child doesn't completely hinge on 2 people not fucking up. If a child is raised by 10 people, having 2 people be complete fuckups won't matter as much because the other 8 can pick up the slack.
Well there you go figuring out a solution there that is already a vast improvement on parenthood
Parents are the petite bourgeoisie of the child rearing world and just because people can't imagine an alternative (or can't do so without imagining a system prone to abuse) doesn't make that not the case