Mildly Infuriating

If they want their own space, they are just bigots. That's what they called me when I excluded them from the general space in the past!

-the people arguing against that comm, probably

You've angered the incels.

Who said I was a guy? Again, anyone can be anyone on the internet.

the point of the saying was that your sex/gender shouldn't matter for internet comments.

it wasn't to exclude women.

self identifying yourself as a man or women will radically change how people interpret your comments. a lot of people assume i'm a woman from the way i comment. then they would find out i'm not a woman and harass the shit out of me for upsetting/subverting their gender expectations.

there are no girls on the internet

You misunderstood the meme. Unless anyone verifies IDs, anyone online can claim to be whoever, and everyone's a fucking liar. 12/f/cali? Definitely FBI.

Simping for someone online claiming to be female is senseless. Personal characteristics shouldn't matter. Better to assume they're a nameless, sexless avatar.

Literally nothing is stopping you from creating a community for men with a rule that only men participate. The difference is that in the community you're thinking about though, women wouldn't be constantly trying to mess with it. There are hundreds of communities to choose from. We're not entitled to participate in them all.

/c/dull_mens_club@lemmy.world

The mens club you're talking about DOES exist though. Since men are not a marginalized minority, that club is just called society.

Your logic mirrors asking, ‘Why not create a whites-only club?’ Technically, you could, but people would rightly view it negatively because white people, as a group, are not marginalized. Exclusive spaces for minorities exist to provide relief from the discrimination or bias they routinely encounter. For groups that do not face those barriers, everyday society already functions as their ‘exclusive space,’ which makes it difficult for non-minorities to understand why others might need a separate environment.

Hey, go for it! If c/mensliberation became men-only, I'd support them! There are some communities where women wouldn't have anything to contribute, and that's okay and wouldn't be sexist.

But just don't go full kiwifarms with a men-only community and I'd say that's fine.

It exists. Or did. Menslib over on that other platform.

I know I’m sending mixed signals, but those things are not equivalent. All of modern society is patriarchal and women face exclusion from spaces their entire lives because of their sex or gender. Things have improved slightly over the decades but this kind of misogyny is still a global pandemic. When men are called privileged this is why. That ignorance is a privilege. Lucky you, that you haven’t experienced this constantly for your entire life. Want to create a “Men’s Club” community? We’ve all been living in it our entire lives. Nothing new to see there.

I still feel dirty thinking about the womensstuff community, though. The first time I stumbled in there I had no idea where I was and someone said “As a man…” and then asked a question, and they were told to be quiet. Women experience that constantly, and it’s worse for girls. So much worse. Especially if you are the chatty type of autistic that I am. Having experienced it, I would never subject others to that. I felt that interaction viscerally and immediately blocked the community. I understand wanting to have a safe space, and I do have those with certain private groups, but seeing that behavior was awful. Even queer spaces are welcoming to allies, and I feel inclusion of allies in all social matters is critical for progress to happen.

Replies like this make me wish Lemmy let you give people Gold like Reddit.