Israeli and Zionist influence in the USA is a purposeful choice of the American government. It allows the American government to circumvent many domestic and international laws by allowing Israeli firms to do the spying and dirty work for them. Israel is essentially a rogue state that is entirely controlled by the American intelligence apparatus (and therefore, American capital). This has created a feedback loop of constantly reinforcing settler colonialism and American economic extraction of the Middle East. If America withdrew support to Israel, this feedback loop would cease and Israel would be greatly diminished or completely collapse.

Saying Israel controls America is simply wrong, stop saying this. I will remove your post. ✌️

edit: altered title for clarification and to avoid nonsensical semantic arguments

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[–] kristina@hexbear.net 27 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

There is also an attempt to launder America's reputation by saying Israel is in control. Anything innocent little America did in the middle east can be attributed to Israel with this framing, which is what the American intelligence apparatus would love everyone to think.

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 28 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I was accused of this today but like I don't give a fuck about "laundering America's reputation" I just think "the U.S. is 100% in control" is just as reductionist and inaccurate as "Israel is actually in control."

I say shit like "i think the relationship is a little more complicated than it simply being a puppet because it gets away with shit no other U.S. vassal does i.e. sinking the U.S.S. Liberty" and I get accused of ZOG shit which is really jesse-wtf on my end.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 21 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

this Saying that America just controls "Israel" is almost us much cope as the other way around. It's not antisemitism to say that the "Israel" lobby has more influence and less limitations than other "puppet" states.

America could threaten to withdraw support and "Israel" would fold instantly, but American politicians almost never do this, even when "Israel" acts against their interests. "Israelis" do actually have some influence on America and "Israel" has a degree of autonomy not offered to puppet states. That doesn't make America less guilty, it's still the case that they could stop "Israel" at any time. The fact is that they generally don't, even when it would be in their interests.

[–] WokePalpatine@hexbear.net 13 points 5 months ago

Especially when Israel has nukes. If nukes give North Korea autonomy from US control, they definitely give Israel autonomy from the US as well.

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 9 points 5 months ago

Yeah i agree

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Ikr, the first people the Trump-II regime went after were anti-Zionist permanent residents and non-citizens, not those who criticized the U.S. Gov. Puppets have leeway in doing crimes on U.S. soil, but none are comparable to Israel.

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 13 points 5 months ago

Israel could do like 10 9/11s and the only consequence they'd see is Current President flying straight there to ask Netanyahu if he's sure he doesn't want an 11th

Id call Germany or Ukraine vassal states of the U.S. but i absolutely could not imagine a scenario where like a bunch of AFD nazis blow shit up and the Germans aren't made to show subservience

[–] godlessworm@hexbear.net 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)

...i don't think anybody on hexbear is saying shit about israel to launder the image of america.

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

You would be surprised :yea:

But no not usually the 5 years people

[–] godlessworm@hexbear.net 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

i'm confused what the issue is or who this post is directed at then.

if you're saying you're gonna delete antisemitic posts, good, i support that. but if in the last 5yrs it hasn't been an issue, what is this post about?

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 4 points 5 months ago

Dig through the modlog yourself there's been a lot of garbage lately.

[–] ChestRockwell@hexbear.net 5 points 5 months ago

5 years club rise up.

[–] SchillMenaker@hexbear.net 16 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I have a suspicion that in order to have this conversation here any Israel/AIPAC post needs to be signed with "Of course, death to America"

[–] MLRL_Commie@hexbear.net 7 points 5 months ago

Better yet, append it to all posts. And everyday the top post must be مرگ بار امريكا

[–] Blakey@hexbear.net 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Would that be such a bad thing? Of course, death to America.

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I yearn for the destruction of America all day, every day. I have a searing hatred for this country that will never die.

[–] SchillMenaker@hexbear.net 1 points 5 months ago

And, of course, death to America

[–] 10TH_OF_SEPTEMBER_CALL@hexbear.net 8 points 5 months ago

Fascism is because of russia and the genocide is because of israel. Obama was also a kenyan spy. See we didn't do anything /s