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Ken Klippenstein believes FBI will designate transgender people as "violent extremists"
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Killing Kirk really did just speed up this violent crackdown on the left into overdrive.
Did it though? If Kirk wasn't assassinated, they would have just invented a pretense. IMO they're just doing what they have planned for all this time.
It's both. This is what they wanted to do anyway. The plan was clearly already mostly drafted and agreed to. But they needed the right moment. The murder was that moment.
If the same murder happened in 72 days, these things happening now wouldn't be happening until 72 days from now.
That's kinda my point though: they could have simply manufactured "the right moment". Hell, they could have even presenting literally nothing as the right moment. They have control over the propaganda machines.
Yeah I'm not with you on the timeline here. Maybe a week at best. The capitalists are quickly remembering that what they can do to us in their system is functionally independent from the will of its subjects.
for all we know, they did manufacture this, or this kid is a patsy and there was an israeli sniper or some wild shit, who knows!
What we do know is that something happening was inevitable
If they could just manufacture the right moment at any time, why didn't it happen the first week of Trump's term in Jan or, at least, in Feb? They waited for some reason. What is the reason?
IMO there are three convincing explanations:
I brought up disaster capitalism in a different thread last night and I think that's the ticket for this. It's not that they were sitting around waiting on a moment. You don't waste time trying to predict moments like this. You maintain a relative state of readiness for anything and when something like this happens, you pounce and milk it for all you can. Even they don't know what affordances Kirk's death will provide. They're experimenting. That's why it's quickly morphing into this weird catch-all cause. Somehow military recruitment, late night TV, transgender rights, AI grifts, and social media are all tied into this. The somehow is that there are different groups who have different goals and interests beyond the general goal of maintaining capital control. They're all trying to figure out what this will let them get away with. Can we re-align late night TV so our constituents aren't hearing how shit we are? Maybe. Can we take a moment to stomp on trans rights some more? We'll try. Can we get some more police drones that scan public events? Might as well, it'll stop another Charlie from happening.
The dude's corpse is being divided up and mashed into oil for all these different machines. It is related even though it's not actually related, if that makes sense. They weren't waiting on a moment and they also aren't able to do it without a moment because opportunism requires an opportunity.
In Kwame Ture's autobiography, he has a quote from an organizer who said that you stay ready so you don't have to get ready. It's the same exact thing that orgs need to completely internalize. If you're waiting for the revolutionary moment^TM^ to come before acting, you will be nowhere close to seizing the opportunity when it actually happens. The George Floyd uprising was a revolutionary moment. And absolutely no org was even close to turning that opportunity into something far greater than what it turned out. Now imagine if there was an org on par with the BPP at its height in 2020 that simultaneously had the ability to wage war against the pigs on top of providing political education that inoculate the masses from the cringey recuperation shit that the Democrats successfully pulled off.
The Epstein connection. That story, whatever the libs tried to rile up before, is well buried now. Nobody’s gonna remember it anymore. Trump got the distraction he needed.
There was nothing happening with Epstein before Kirk was shot. We had gotten to the point where the only thing was a release of unspecified documents, which was a long shot. This is months after the FBI and AG had already gotten hold of it all and redacted it or destroyed stuff. The release was halted in the House before Kirk was shot. The Senate halted release 3 hours after Kirk was shot. Even if the docs were released, then what? Who is going to arrest Trump? Who is going to prosecute him? The AG that helped him redact the docs? His FBI lapdog?
I'm Epstein-pilled but it just doesn't connect for me. Even the news had mostly stopped covering it. There was supposed to be this big reckoning when Congress came back into session this month but it didn't happen. They came back and blocked the release of the files. Trump simply wasn't in any political or legal danger. I too thought he would be for a minute but then reality hits. We all moved on from JFK and 9/11 too.
The capitalists never forgot it. They didn't need to remember.
I agree with you IF these people are on a tight timeline. I am not sure that they are. They have 3 more years based on the political cycle. But, this could be a timeline driven by the midterms, which is reasonable.
It could also be a timeline driven by foreign actors, or by economic forces.
My sense, though, is that things are not as well coordinated as the Truman Show and instead they make plans for various things and execute them when the appropriate trigger arrives.
Honestly, it could be true that both a) they got Kirk killed and b) they were waiting for it to happen before acting. They have a vast network of decrentalized right wing peppers and could have easily seeded this action out to them and just waited until it happened.
disagree.
some other shit would have been an opportunity sooner than that. or they'd just make something up or they'd just do it.
I mean, sure there would probably be an event earlier than 72 days later. It could have been a different event though.
Let’s not forget this event had nothing to do with transgender people. They were going to do this regardless.
As I said. They had plans already. They were just waiting for a spark. Any spark.
We're spending a lot of time here trying to figure out if it was the toaster or coffee maker which started the fire while ignoring the gas leak. At a certain point the situation becomes so volatile a fart can set it off.
I think maybe 20 or 30 percent of this stuff would have happened by now, but this has given them an excuse to accelerate
I feel everyone is forgetting the detrans neonazi school shooter. Like they were talking about a lot if this stuff already in response to that. This was just an even better excuse.
Funny thing is it's a worse excuse becauae the killer is cis, but it's a flashier headline because it was a celeb that got killed
While it's true they would still find something, what the something is still affects how the general public feels. They'll be a little more ok with it than if the justification were just obviously false, but much less than if it had been a universally beloved figure who was killed.
I gotta be real with you: I don't trust Americans anymore to be like that. Simple as that. We have completely lost our fucking minds.
I'm not American so I have to defer to your judgement, but is this really true of the broader public? Obviously yes die hard trump supporters are gonna be freaks about it, but just average people?
My view is that average Americans are comfortable letting it happen. Like the "treats-pilled" analysis often brought up here is IMO a 1-1 representation of how the average American operates. But I've always been a pessimist so maybe take my analysis with a grain of salt.
I guess so
Like not to be incessant here, but IMO the reason this is happening isn't because of Kirk's killing or anything consequential to the fascists themselves or the government, but simply because leftists, LGBTQ people, POC, disabled people, the poor, etc., continue to merely exist while the fascists are still in power. And as long as liberals try to politely share the stage with the fascists, fascist violence will continue to destroy us.
I get that
So far, the biggest detriment I see to organizing the left in the US in a socialist manner is foreign policy. It seems really hard to get US people to understand it. It takes way too much reading of news and knowledge of history. Not to mention, being in the imperial core, US foreign policy mostly benefits them.
The Charlie Kirk assassination is becoming our Reichstag fire. This is just the dumbest timeline.
The only thing I can say for sure is it's not enough for one fascist to fall.